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In article <424F5C6C.AC0D70C3@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, 
tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
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> ward stewart wrote:
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> > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:39:41 -1000, Tim Bruening wrote
> > (in article <424E301D.CDC56557@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>):
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pat Winstanley wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <t1qf41hma43uqljeetfu0vr75d43oqmm6t@4ax.com>,
> > >> sappywriter@poetic.com says...
> > >>> On 28 Mar 2005 02:55:29 -0800, "RepublicansAreWhiners"
> > >>> <republicansarewhiners@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> woulda, coulda, shoulda, the time to act on that -if- it were even true
> > >>>> was in 1990, not 15 years later. get over it already
> > >>>
> > >>> Okay, I have a question - just a hypothetical one: If Mr. Shiavo at
> > >>> one time did beat Terri pior to her present situation, could that have
> > >>> any legal ramifications, if it were looked at that way? I mean, is
> > >>> this an avenue  tried but failed because of long lapse of time or was
> > >>> it never heard because it is a load of horseshit?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Wasn't there a report somewhere that stated the injuries were
> > >> comensurate with the standard initial treatment for someone in Terri's
> > >> collapse/heart situation?
> > >
> > > What, the paramedics beat her black and blue?
> >
> > Attempts to start an IV, particularly with low blood pressure to maintain the
> > patency of the veins, can result in extensive sub-cutaneous bleeding and
> > bruising.  THEN, I myself have broken ribs several times in cardiac massage
> > for patients in code.  LOUD snaps but part of the dramatic efforts.
> 
> This reminds me of a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode in which she found her
> mother dead and tried to do CPR on her, breaking her ribs in the process.
> 
> 
back when I had to regularly go for EMT recertification, we were 
informally taught that if you didn't break a rib or two during CPR you 
probably weren't doing it right, or at least you weren't compressing the 
chest sufficiently deep enough to be effective. If the person survives, 
a few cracked ribs were a small price to pay whereas if they don't 
survive, the cracked ribs wouldn't matter.

Luckily I never had to perform CPR in a real rescue situation; most of 
my calls involved maternity deliveries on the parkway.