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"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
>
> Preserve the Rights of the Disabled

I visited the website and submitted a well modified fax to my reps.

What really got me annoyed was at the end of the process, each rep required
that the topic of the fax be listed according to a list that they provide.

Guess what topic was missing?

<play Jeopardy theme song>

No, you do not have to be Ken Jennings to get this one correct!

See below...

...

...

...

...

...


Correct, Handicapped rights is the missing category!

No, you do not win $2.5 million. I told you that you do not have to be Ken
Jennings to get that one right.

Please visit the ACLU website and complete the fax and see if your
representatives do the same thing. If so, email them with a complaint, like
I just did.

If they are not thinking that this is a separate issue that crosses all
ethnic, political, religious, age, etc. groups, then they are not ever going
to "get it" until it happens to them.

While you have their attention, suggest that they spend a week in a
wheelchair, or with a blindfold, or with earplugs, or all three, etc. for
more of an education.

Mark

I selected the category as "Judiciary" and got their response:

"As you know, H.R. 728, introduced by Rep. Foley (R-FL), would amend
the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 to require an opportunity
to correct alleged violations before a civil action could commence.
This bill is currently under consideration by the House Committee on
the Judiciary. "

Don't you have Judiciary?

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:53:05 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

>
>"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
>news:T5Cyd.9264$jn.381@lakeread06...
>>
>> http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
>>
>> Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
>
>I visited the website and submitted a well modified fax to my reps.
>
>What really got me annoyed was at the end of the process, each rep required
>that the topic of the fax be listed according to a list that they provide.
>
>Guess what topic was missing?
>
><play Jeopardy theme song>
>
>No, you do not have to be Ken Jennings to get this one correct!
>
>See below...
>
>...
>
>...
>
>...
>
>...
>
>...
>
>
>Correct, Handicapped rights is the missing category!
>
>No, you do not win $2.5 million. I told you that you do not have to be Ken
>Jennings to get that one right.
>
>Please visit the ACLU website and complete the fax and see if your
>representatives do the same thing. If so, email them with a complaint, like
>I just did.
>
>If they are not thinking that this is a separate issue that crosses all
>ethnic, political, religious, age, etc. groups, then they are not ever going
>to "get it" until it happens to them.
>
>While you have their attention, suggest that they spend a week in a
>wheelchair, or with a blindfold, or with earplugs, or all three, etc. for
>more of an education.
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>

I do not want Disability Issues relegated to Judiciary, or any other
category, since they cross so many issues and groups.

You got an automated reply. Not acceptable.

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
news:TsXyd.9793$jn.2252@lakeread06...
>
> I selected the category as "Judiciary" and got their response:
>
> "As you know, H.R. 728, introduced by Rep. Foley (R-FL), would amend
> the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 to require an opportunity
> to correct alleged violations before a civil action could commence.
> This bill is currently under consideration by the House Committee on
> the Judiciary. "
>
> Don't you have Judiciary?
>
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:53:05 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
> >news:T5Cyd.9264$jn.381@lakeread06...
> >>
> >> http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
> >>
> >> Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
> >
> >I visited the website and submitted a well modified fax to my reps.
> >
> >What really got me annoyed was at the end of the process, each rep
required
> >that the topic of the fax be listed according to a list that they
provide.
> >
> >Guess what topic was missing?
> >
> ><play Jeopardy theme song>
> >
> >No, you do not have to be Ken Jennings to get this one correct!
> >
> >See below...
> >
> >...
> >
> >...
> >
> >...
> >
> >...
> >
> >...
> >
> >
> >Correct, Handicapped rights is the missing category!
> >
> >No, you do not win $2.5 million. I told you that you do not have to be
Ken
> >Jennings to get that one right.
> >
> >Please visit the ACLU website and complete the fax and see if your
> >representatives do the same thing. If so, email them with a complaint,
like
> >I just did.
> >
> >If they are not thinking that this is a separate issue that crosses all
> >ethnic, political, religious, age, etc. groups, then they are not ever
going
> >to "get it" until it happens to them.
> >
> >While you have their attention, suggest that they spend a week in a
> >wheelchair, or with a blindfold, or with earplugs, or all three, etc. for
> >more of an education.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Really? That category list sucks. Did you get them to add "Disability
Issues" to the list? I'm pretty awkward with their system, and I'm
sure others having same problem so thats why its not on the list <g>.
Maybe going back to old fashioned way like writing letter would help?
I hate to use up my .37 stamps <g>.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:55:15 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

>I do not want Disability Issues relegated to Judiciary, or any other
>category, since they cross so many issues and groups.
>
>You got an automated reply. Not acceptable.
>
>"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
>news:TsXyd.9793$jn.2252@lakeread06...
>>
>> I selected the category as "Judiciary" and got their response:
>>
>> "As you know, H.R. 728, introduced by Rep. Foley (R-FL), would amend
>> the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 to require an opportunity
>> to correct alleged violations before a civil action could commence.
>> This bill is currently under consideration by the House Committee on
>> the Judiciary. "
>>
>> Don't you have Judiciary?
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:53:05 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
>> Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
>> >news:T5Cyd.9264$jn.381@lakeread06...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
>> >>
>> >> Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
>> >
>> >I visited the website and submitted a well modified fax to my reps.
>> >
>> >What really got me annoyed was at the end of the process, each rep
>required
>> >that the topic of the fax be listed according to a list that they
>provide.
>> >
>> >Guess what topic was missing?
>> >
>> ><play Jeopardy theme song>
>> >
>> >No, you do not have to be Ken Jennings to get this one correct!
>> >
>> >See below...
>> >
>> >...
>> >
>> >...
>> >
>> >...
>> >
>> >...
>> >
>> >...
>> >
>> >
>> >Correct, Handicapped rights is the missing category!
>> >
>> >No, you do not win $2.5 million. I told you that you do not have to be
>Ken
>> >Jennings to get that one right.
>> >
>> >Please visit the ACLU website and complete the fax and see if your
>> >representatives do the same thing. If so, email them with a complaint,
>like
>> >I just did.
>> >
>> >If they are not thinking that this is a separate issue that crosses all
>> >ethnic, political, religious, age, etc. groups, then they are not ever
>going
>> >to "get it" until it happens to them.
>> >
>> >While you have their attention, suggest that they spend a week in a
>> >wheelchair, or with a blindfold, or with earplugs, or all three, etc. for
>> >more of an education.
>> >
>> >Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
news:%EYyd.9962$jn.269@lakeread06...
>
> Really? That category list sucks. Did you get them to add "Disability
> Issues" to the list?

A work in progress

I'm pretty awkward with their system, and I'm
> sure others having same problem so thats why its not on the list <g>.
> Maybe going back to old fashioned way like writing letter would help?
> I hate to use up my .37 stamps <g>.

Use 'em or the rate goes up.




>
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:55:15 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
> >I do not want Disability Issues relegated to Judiciary, or any other
> >category, since they cross so many issues and groups.
> >
> >You got an automated reply. Not acceptable.
> >
> >"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
> >news:TsXyd.9793$jn.2252@lakeread06...
> >>
> >> I selected the category as "Judiciary" and got their response:
> >>
> >> "As you know, H.R. 728, introduced by Rep. Foley (R-FL), would amend
> >> the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 to require an opportunity
> >> to correct alleged violations before a civil action could commence.
> >> This bill is currently under consideration by the House Committee on
> >> the Judiciary. "
> >>
> >> Don't you have Judiciary?
> >>
> >> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:53:05 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> >> Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:T5Cyd.9264$jn.381@lakeread06...
> >> >>
> >> >>
http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
> >> >>
> >> >> Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
> >> >
> >> >I visited the website and submitted a well modified fax to my reps.
> >> >
> >> >What really got me annoyed was at the end of the process, each rep
> >required
> >> >that the topic of the fax be listed according to a list that they
> >provide.
> >> >
> >> >Guess what topic was missing?
> >> >
> >> ><play Jeopardy theme song>
> >> >
> >> >No, you do not have to be Ken Jennings to get this one correct!
> >> >
> >> >See below...
> >> >
> >> >...
> >> >
> >> >...
> >> >
> >> >...
> >> >
> >> >...
> >> >
> >> >...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Correct, Handicapped rights is the missing category!
> >> >
> >> >No, you do not win $2.5 million. I told you that you do not have to be
> >Ken
> >> >Jennings to get that one right.
> >> >
> >> >Please visit the ACLU website and complete the fax and see if your
> >> >representatives do the same thing. If so, email them with a complaint,
> >like
> >> >I just did.
> >> >
> >> >If they are not thinking that this is a separate issue that crosses
all
> >> >ethnic, political, religious, age, etc. groups, then they are not ever
> >going
> >> >to "get it" until it happens to them.
> >> >
> >> >While you have their attention, suggest that they spend a week in a
> >> >wheelchair, or with a blindfold, or with earplugs, or all three, etc.
for
> >> >more of an education.
> >> >
> >> >Mark
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

    The rights of the disabled are being eroded by a handful of criminals
and their attorneys who have managed to use the ADA as a device to extort
money from honest businesses.
    The ADA has also meant billions of dollars being spent on buildings and
modifications which are of use only to a tiny minority of society.  Remember
that the ADA was passed with the promise that it would provide greater
access to the disabled.  While this goal has been accomplished to a great
extent, the great majority of the money devoted to these purposes has gone
to the bureaucracy and their cronies who benefit from the required
improvements.
    While the ADA is very valuable to those who really need it, it is a dead
issue because of the abuses of a few greedy people.  It represents
corruption and excess.  The ADA is going away and you aren't going to win
this one.  It isn't Bush's fault so look to your own.

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
news:T5Cyd.9264$jn.381@lakeread06...
>
> http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
>
> Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
>
>  The Americans with Disabilities Act was passed by Congress in 1990
> with overwhelming bipartisan support, and signed into law by President
> Bush and the evidence of its success is everywhere. Handicap parking
> spaces, Braille instructions on ATM's, and ramps built into sidewalks
> have all become commonplace fixtures that make an enormous difference
> in the lives of persons with disabilities. Yet, despite ample evidence
> that the ADA is working, some Members of Congress are trying to place
> new roadblocks to justice for people with disabilities.
>
> A bill called the "ADA Notification Act" (HR 728) was introduced by
> Rep Mark Foley (R-FL) to punish individuals for bringing timely
> lawsuits to enforce the ADA. Legislation of this nature would punish
> individuals who do not first notify a business of an ADA violation and
> then wait nearly three months before filing a lawsuit - even if the
> business has been breaking the law for years!
>
> Take Action! Urge your members of Congress to oppose this legislation.
>
> * The ADA has been in effect for 14 years. Businesses that have spent
> the past decade breaking the law should not be rewarded.
> Supporters of this bill claim that it would ensure that businesses are
> given adequate notice. In reality, the ADA included several safeguards
> to ensure that businesses and other public accommodations would have
> adequate notice of their obligations and ample time to take steps to
> bring themselves into compliance. Businesses have had a full decade to
> become ADA compliant, and there is no reason for further delay.
>
> * There is ample information and training available for businesses to
> determine if they are in compliance.
> Each year for the last seven years, the U.S. Justice Department has
> notified more than 6 million businesses of their responsibilities
> under ADA and how to comply. The Justice Department also runs a
> toll-free ADA information line, which receives more than 100,000 calls
> a year. Given that materials are prepared for a wide array of business
> and specifically for small businesses, there is no reason that a
> business cannot determine if they are ADA compliant well before a
> lawsuit is filed.
>
> * Three months is too long for someone who needs an accommodation
> today.
> Persons with disabilities should be able to engage in such basic
> activities as work, travel and obtaining healthcare without worrying
> about which businesses are complying with the ADA and which ones are
> breaking the law. Persons with disabilities have had to travel from
> hotel to hotel to find one that is wheelchair accessible, have had to
> demand that their guide dogs be allowed into restaurants, and have had
> to risk losing their professional accreditation when mandatory
> education classes were not sign-language interpreted.
>
> * Claims of frivolous lawsuits are already handled in current law.
> The bill's supporters claim that the legislation would cut down on
> frivolous lawsuits. But frivolous lawsuits are already prohibited by
> law and such claims are regularly handled by courts and state bar
> associations. Courts already fine law firms and plaintiffs when they
> find that a lawsuit is frivolous.
>
> TAKE ACTION!
>
> � ACLU

The "wonderful" thing about disability is that you are only a nanosecond
away from your own.

Ask Chris Reeves.

"Lex Luther" <givemeabreak@superman.com> wrote in message
news:10sprksenm6lmff@corp.supernews.com...
>     The rights of the disabled are being eroded by a handful of criminals
> and their attorneys who have managed to use the ADA as a device to extort
> money from honest businesses.
>     The ADA has also meant billions of dollars being spent on buildings
and
> modifications which are of use only to a tiny minority of society.
Remember
> that the ADA was passed with the promise that it would provide greater
> access to the disabled.  While this goal has been accomplished to a great
> extent, the great majority of the money devoted to these purposes has gone
> to the bureaucracy and their cronies who benefit from the required
> improvements.
>     While the ADA is very valuable to those who really need it, it is a
dead
> issue because of the abuses of a few greedy people.  It represents
> corruption and excess.  The ADA is going away and you aren't going to win
> this one.  It isn't Bush's fault so look to your own.
>
> "Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
> news:T5Cyd.9264$jn.381@lakeread06...
> >
> > http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
> >
> > Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
> >
> >  The Americans with Disabilities Act was passed by Congress in 1990
> > with overwhelming bipartisan support, and signed into law by President
> > Bush and the evidence of its success is everywhere. Handicap parking
> > spaces, Braille instructions on ATM's, and ramps built into sidewalks
> > have all become commonplace fixtures that make an enormous difference
> > in the lives of persons with disabilities. Yet, despite ample evidence
> > that the ADA is working, some Members of Congress are trying to place
> > new roadblocks to justice for people with disabilities.
> >
> > A bill called the "ADA Notification Act" (HR 728) was introduced by
> > Rep Mark Foley (R-FL) to punish individuals for bringing timely
> > lawsuits to enforce the ADA. Legislation of this nature would punish
> > individuals who do not first notify a business of an ADA violation and
> > then wait nearly three months before filing a lawsuit - even if the
> > business has been breaking the law for years!
> >
> > Take Action! Urge your members of Congress to oppose this legislation.
> >
> > * The ADA has been in effect for 14 years. Businesses that have spent
> > the past decade breaking the law should not be rewarded.
> > Supporters of this bill claim that it would ensure that businesses are
> > given adequate notice. In reality, the ADA included several safeguards
> > to ensure that businesses and other public accommodations would have
> > adequate notice of their obligations and ample time to take steps to
> > bring themselves into compliance. Businesses have had a full decade to
> > become ADA compliant, and there is no reason for further delay.
> >
> > * There is ample information and training available for businesses to
> > determine if they are in compliance.
> > Each year for the last seven years, the U.S. Justice Department has
> > notified more than 6 million businesses of their responsibilities
> > under ADA and how to comply. The Justice Department also runs a
> > toll-free ADA information line, which receives more than 100,000 calls
> > a year. Given that materials are prepared for a wide array of business
> > and specifically for small businesses, there is no reason that a
> > business cannot determine if they are ADA compliant well before a
> > lawsuit is filed.
> >
> > * Three months is too long for someone who needs an accommodation
> > today.
> > Persons with disabilities should be able to engage in such basic
> > activities as work, travel and obtaining healthcare without worrying
> > about which businesses are complying with the ADA and which ones are
> > breaking the law. Persons with disabilities have had to travel from
> > hotel to hotel to find one that is wheelchair accessible, have had to
> > demand that their guide dogs be allowed into restaurants, and have had
> > to risk losing their professional accreditation when mandatory
> > education classes were not sign-language interpreted.
> >
> > * Claims of frivolous lawsuits are already handled in current law.
> > The bill's supporters claim that the legislation would cut down on
> > frivolous lawsuits. But frivolous lawsuits are already prohibited by
> > law and such claims are regularly handled by courts and state bar
> > associations. Courts already fine law firms and plaintiffs when they
> > find that a lawsuit is frivolous.
> >
> > TAKE ACTION!
> >
> > � ACLU
>
>

"Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond" <CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote
in message news:k06qs01kl42hjak0ldki7jv98cntp1mbum@4ax.com...
> How about preserving the rights of the people who have to pay the
> costs of all these unnecessary ADA modifications?  I don't see
> anything wrong with a 3 month waiting period for corrections to be
> made AFTER a notification is given.  If someone has been "violating
> the law for 14 years" and no one has complained or sued then maybe
> there was no real need to modify it.  I love how everyone likes to
> spend OTHER peoples money foolishly.

How do you know that there have been no complaints?

Perhaps no one complained because they could not get inside to complain.
Spend a week in a wheelchair and see if you do not find something to
complain about.

Why do you advocate for a complaint driven society?




>
>
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:10:23 -0500, Deaf Power<deaf@power.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
> >
> >Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
> >
> > The Americans with Disabilities Act was passed by Congress in 1990
> >with overwhelming bipartisan support, and signed into law by President
> >Bush and the evidence of its success is everywhere. Handicap parking
> >spaces, Braille instructions on ATM's, and ramps built into sidewalks
> >have all become commonplace fixtures that make an enormous difference
> >in the lives of persons with disabilities. Yet, despite ample evidence
> >that the ADA is working, some Members of Congress are trying to place
> >new roadblocks to justice for people with disabilities.
> >
> >A bill called the "ADA Notification Act" (HR 728) was introduced by
> >Rep Mark Foley (R-FL) to punish individuals for bringing timely
> >lawsuits to enforce the ADA. Legislation of this nature would punish
> >individuals who do not first notify a business of an ADA violation and
> >then wait nearly three months before filing a lawsuit - even if the
> >business has been breaking the law for years!
> >
> >Take Action! Urge your members of Congress to oppose this legislation.
> >
> >* The ADA has been in effect for 14 years. Businesses that have spent
> >the past decade breaking the law should not be rewarded.
> >Supporters of this bill claim that it would ensure that businesses are
> >given adequate notice. In reality, the ADA included several safeguards
> >to ensure that businesses and other public accommodations would have
> >adequate notice of their obligations and ample time to take steps to
> >bring themselves into compliance. Businesses have had a full decade to
> >become ADA compliant, and there is no reason for further delay.
> >
> >* There is ample information and training available for businesses to
> >determine if they are in compliance.
> >Each year for the last seven years, the U.S. Justice Department has
> >notified more than 6 million businesses of their responsibilities
> >under ADA and how to comply. The Justice Department also runs a
> >toll-free ADA information line, which receives more than 100,000 calls
> >a year. Given that materials are prepared for a wide array of business
> >and specifically for small businesses, there is no reason that a
> >business cannot determine if they are ADA compliant well before a
> >lawsuit is filed.
> >
> >* Three months is too long for someone who needs an accommodation
> >today.
> >Persons with disabilities should be able to engage in such basic
> >activities as work, travel and obtaining healthcare without worrying
> >about which businesses are complying with the ADA and which ones are
> >breaking the law. Persons with disabilities have had to travel from
> >hotel to hotel to find one that is wheelchair accessible, have had to
> >demand that their guide dogs be allowed into restaurants, and have had
> >to risk losing their professional accreditation when mandatory
> >education classes were not sign-language interpreted.
> >
> >* Claims of frivolous lawsuits are already handled in current law.
> >The bill's supporters claim that the legislation would cut down on
> >frivolous lawsuits. But frivolous lawsuits are already prohibited by
> >law and such claims are regularly handled by courts and state bar
> >associations. Courts already fine law firms and plaintiffs when they
> >find that a lawsuit is frivolous.
> >
> >TAKE ACTION!
> >
> >� ACLU
>
> --
>
> http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=7673803

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:37:32 -0800, "Lex Luther"
<givemeabreak@superman.com> wrote:

>    The rights of the disabled are being eroded by a handful of criminals
>and their attorneys who have managed to use the ADA as a device to extort
>money from honest businesses.

It's the judge who decide if business violates ADA.

>    The ADA has also meant billions of dollars being spent on buildings and
>modifications which are of use only to a tiny minority of society.  Remember
>that the ADA was passed with the promise that it would provide greater
>access to the disabled.  While this goal has been accomplished to a great
>extent, the great majority of the money devoted to these purposes has gone
>to the bureaucracy and their cronies who benefit from the required
>improvements.
>    While the ADA is very valuable to those who really need it, it is a dead
>issue because of the abuses of a few greedy people.  It represents
>corruption and excess.  The ADA is going away and you aren't going to win
>this one.  It isn't Bush's fault so look to your own.

Are you in favor of abolishing ADA and giving businesses free leeway
to discrimination practices? Are you in favor of businesses who
practice discrimination?

"Tiny" minority? How tiny is tiny? It's the disabled who benefit from
the required improvements.

What if *you* became disabled due to accident or disease? What if you
became deaf instantly the next morning for no reason? Without ADA,
you'll be denied rights to equal accessibility and you'll be blaming
yourself for saying this here.

Furthermore, has Bush done anything to help the disabled? Nope. Has he
reinstated Clinton's executive order to order Fed govt to hire 100k
disabled? Nope.

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2004/11/22996.php

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:36:58 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
<CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote:

>How about preserving the rights of the people who have to pay the
>costs of all these unnecessary ADA modifications?

Unnecessary? Is it unnecessary for you but not for them?

I don't see
>anything wrong with a 3 month waiting period for corrections to be
>made AFTER a notification is given.

If everyone is able to get hired instantly,  yet you're telling the
disabled to wait 3 months? Is that equal accessibility? NO!

If someone has been "violating
>the law for 14 years" and no one has complained or sued then maybe
>there was no real need to modify it.

Maybe? How would you know? Maybe people are complaining but EEOC is
not helping because they're too incompetent? Maybe lawyers' fees are
too high for them? You're jumping into conclusion too soon.

>I love how everyone likes to
>spend OTHER peoples money foolishly.

Well, then you sound like a total idiot.

TO DP:

I have encountered the species of vermin that LL is a member of. They are a
waste of time and a form of troll, since they post strictly to enflame. The
best tactic is to await their entry in the realm of disability, and then
watch them whine.

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
news:g5izd.10220$jn.1198@lakeread06...
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:37:32 -0800, "Lex Luther"
> <givemeabreak@superman.com> wrote:
>
> >    The rights of the disabled are being eroded by a handful of criminals
> >and their attorneys who have managed to use the ADA as a device to extort
> >money from honest businesses.
>
> It's the judge who decide if business violates ADA.
>
> >    The ADA has also meant billions of dollars being spent on buildings
and
> >modifications which are of use only to a tiny minority of society.
Remember
> >that the ADA was passed with the promise that it would provide greater
> >access to the disabled.  While this goal has been accomplished to a great
> >extent, the great majority of the money devoted to these purposes has
gone
> >to the bureaucracy and their cronies who benefit from the required
> >improvements.
> >    While the ADA is very valuable to those who really need it, it is a
dead
> >issue because of the abuses of a few greedy people.  It represents
> >corruption and excess.  The ADA is going away and you aren't going to win
> >this one.  It isn't Bush's fault so look to your own.
>
> Are you in favor of abolishing ADA and giving businesses free leeway
> to discrimination practices? Are you in favor of businesses who
> practice discrimination?
>
> "Tiny" minority? How tiny is tiny? It's the disabled who benefit from
> the required improvements.
>
> What if *you* became disabled due to accident or disease? What if you
> became deaf instantly the next morning for no reason? Without ADA,
> you'll be denied rights to equal accessibility and you'll be blaming
> yourself for saying this here.
>
> Furthermore, has Bush done anything to help the disabled? Nope. Has he
> reinstated Clinton's executive order to order Fed govt to hire 100k
> disabled? Nope.
>
> http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2004/11/22996.php
>

"Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond" <CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote
in message news:6i57t0diaf5fng9ghpnar7l1n56067sq5o@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:39:29 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond" <CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net>
wrote
> >in message news:k06qs01kl42hjak0ldki7jv98cntp1mbum@4ax.com...
> >> How about preserving the rights of the people who have to pay the
> >> costs of all these unnecessary ADA modifications?  I don't see
> >> anything wrong with a 3 month waiting period for corrections to be
> >> made AFTER a notification is given.  If someone has been "violating
> >> the law for 14 years" and no one has complained or sued then maybe
> >> there was no real need to modify it.  I love how everyone likes to
> >> spend OTHER peoples money foolishly.
> >
> >How do you know that there have been no complaints?
> >
> >Perhaps no one complained because they could not get inside to complain.
>
> They don't have to go inside to complain.  Every hear of a little
> thing called a certified letter?

Ever hear of sarcasm?

> >Spend a week in a wheelchair and see if you do not find something to
> >complain about.
> >
>
> Wheelchair or whatever, people who are perfectly able bodied complain
> all the time too.

Now you raise a strawman. We are not disucssing able bodied. We are
discussing wheelchair users.

> Everyone complains about everything.

That is quite obvious. However, not all complaints are created equal.

Fuck em all -
> we've done more then enough.

Like assholes, everyone has an opinion. Even more like assholes, some are
more full than others, like yours.

> We, as a nation, already bend over
> backward to try and make life a bed of roses for everyone and
> eliminate the slightest hint of danger and inconvenience.

The inability to get into a government officbuilding or courthouse, the
inability of a person to provide their medical history because they use sign
language, the inability of a person to cross the road because the crosswalks
are not audiblized is not a lack of a bed of roses are not inconveninnces.
They are the inability due to barriers of a person to do things that you
take for granted.

I'm sick of
> it.  This proposal sounds perfectly reasonable.

The fact that you are sick of it is just a sad commentary on your lack of
intestinal fortitude. As for this being perfectly reasonable, I would assume
that you would think the same when you have a need. Like the old saying
goes, a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.

> >Why do you advocate for a complaint driven society?

Why do you advocate for a society hat tolerates turning a blind eye to
following the law?

"Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond" <CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote
in message news:up57t0dr2fvk9vaqa09veq31cro1lvt8l7@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:24:17 -0500, Deaf Power<deaf@power.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:36:58 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
> ><CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote:
> >
> >>How about preserving the rights of the people who have to pay the
> >>costs of all these unnecessary ADA modifications?
> >
> >Unnecessary? Is it unnecessary for you but not for them?
> >
>
> Do you know what the current law says?  Do you know that a "disabled"
> person need not be disabled?

Humor me and prove it.


> >I don't see
> >>anything wrong with a 3 month waiting period for corrections to be
> >>made AFTER a notification is given.
> >
> >If everyone is able to get hired instantly,  yet you're telling the
> >disabled to wait 3 months? Is that equal accessibility? NO!
> >
>
>
> That's horsehit and you know it.  The law requires provisions to be
> made as long as reasonable notice of need is given.  Usually if the
> disabled give 3 days notice they can be accommodated, which could mean
> someone will come out and carry them in.  Some people seem to think
> the building owner should have to spend $10000 just so some poor
> fucking disabled person doesn't have to be carried in but gets to
> wheel themselves up a ramp.  Tough shit.

Well, there i sone thing for sure that you have not considered...that the
difference between ability and disability can be around a few nanoseconds.


>
> >If someone has been "violating
> >>the law for 14 years" and no one has complained or sued then maybe
> >>there was no real need to modify it.
> >
> >Maybe? How would you know? Maybe people are complaining but EEOC is
> >not helping because they're too incompetent? Maybe lawyers' fees are
> >too high for them? You're jumping into conclusion too soon.
> >
>
> Maybe EEOC isn't doing anything because the disabled are not willing
> to accept REASONABLE accommodations.  Give some REAL examples and lets
> see what's what.

Why do you expect everyone else to educate you? Take responsibility for your
own lack of education and correct it.


> >>I love how everyone likes to
> >>spend OTHER peoples money foolishly.
> >
> >Well, then you sound like a total idiot.
>
> Your comment makes no sense.  Not that I"m surprised.

Actually, I expected you not to understand it.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:55:59 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
<CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote:

>poor fucking disabled person 

Wow, that speak volume about yourself as an insensitive jerk!

You're complaining about disabled people getting "unnecessary"
reasonable accommodations that are necessary for them to be able to do
the job to support themselves for a living like you and enjoy life.
You would rather have them thrown out into the sea. You're really one
sick bastard.

I'll tell you what. Chop off both your legs and when you come back
here in one year, you will realize you were being such an insensitive
jerk! Nobody will care about you and you'll be sobbing and whining
everyday for sure!

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
news:l2XAd.15483$jn.8539@lakeread06...
>
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:55:59 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
> <CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote:
>
> >poor fucking disabled person
>
> Wow, that speak volume about yourself as an insensitive jerk!
>
> You're complaining about disabled people getting "unnecessary"
> reasonable accommodations that are necessary for them to be able to do
> the job to support themselves for a living like you and enjoy life.
> You would rather have them thrown out into the sea. You're really one
> sick bastard.
>
> I'll tell you what. Chop off both your legs and when you come back
> here in one year, you will realize you were being such an insensitive
> jerk! Nobody will care about you and you'll be sobbing and whining
> everyday for sure!

Just remember that disability can be just a nanosecond away. Ask Chris
Reeve.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:30:44 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

>
>"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
>news:l2XAd.15483$jn.8539@lakeread06...
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:55:59 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
>> <CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote:
>>
>> >poor fucking disabled person
>>
>> Wow, that speak volume about yourself as an insensitive jerk!
>>
>> You're complaining about disabled people getting "unnecessary"
>> reasonable accommodations that are necessary for them to be able to do
>> the job to support themselves for a living like you and enjoy life.
>> You would rather have them thrown out into the sea. You're really one
>> sick bastard.
>>
>> I'll tell you what. Chop off both your legs and when you come back
>> here in one year, you will realize you were being such an insensitive
>> jerk! Nobody will care about you and you'll be sobbing and whining
>> everyday for sure!
>
>Just remember that disability can be just a nanosecond away. Ask Chris
>Reeve.

Can be anything. Like plane crashing onto you and you survived. Or a
botched robbery into your home that left you crippled. Or a freak car
crash. Freak things can happen. You can become deaf the next morning
for no reason. This happened.

No one is immuned from becoming disabled.

One has to get off his high horse and stop looking down those who are
less fortunate. This person can be next. Noone is immortal forever.

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message 
news:w40Bd.15523$jn.9526@lakeread06...
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:30:44 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
>>news:l2XAd.15483$jn.8539@lakeread06...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:55:59 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
>>> <CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >poor fucking disabled person
>>>
>>> Wow, that speak volume about yourself as an insensitive jerk!
>>>
>>> You're complaining about disabled people getting "unnecessary"
>>> reasonable accommodations that are necessary for them to be able to do
>>> the job to support themselves for a living like you and enjoy life.
>>> You would rather have them thrown out into the sea. You're really one
>>> sick bastard.
>>>
>>> I'll tell you what. Chop off both your legs and when you come back
>>> here in one year, you will realize you were being such an insensitive
>>> jerk! Nobody will care about you and you'll be sobbing and whining
>>> everyday for sure!
>>
>>Just remember that disability can be just a nanosecond away. Ask Chris
>>Reeve.
>
> Can be anything. Like plane crashing onto you and you survived. Or a
> botched robbery into your home that left you crippled. Or a freak car
> crash. Freak things can happen. You can become deaf the next morning
> for no reason. This happened.
>
> No one is immuned from becoming disabled.
>
> One has to get off his high horse and stop looking down those who are
> less fortunate. This person can be next. Noone is immortal forever.

There's some Zen wisdom there:

"Immortality is temporary." 

Deaf Power wrote:
>
http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
>
> Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
>
>  The Americans with Disabilities Act was passed by Congress in 1990
> with overwhelming bipartisan support, and signed into law by
President
> Bush and the evidence of its success is everywhere. Handicap parking
> spaces, Braille instructions on ATM's, and ramps built into sidewalks
> have all become commonplace fixtures that make an enormous difference
> in the lives of persons with disabilities. Yet, despite ample
evidence
> that the ADA is working, some Members of Congress are trying to place
> new roadblocks to justice for people with disabilities.
>
> A bill called the "ADA Notification Act" (HR 728) was introduced by
> Rep Mark Foley (R-FL) to punish individuals for bringing timely
> lawsuits to enforce the ADA. Legislation of this nature would punish
> individuals who do not first notify a business of an ADA violation
and
> then wait nearly three months before filing a lawsuit - even if the
> business has been breaking the law for years!
>
> Take Action! Urge your members of Congress to oppose this
legislation.
>
> * The ADA has been in effect for 14 years. Businesses that have spent
> the past decade breaking the law should not be rewarded.
> Supporters of this bill claim that it would ensure that businesses
are
> given adequate notice. In reality, the ADA included several
safeguards
> to ensure that businesses and other public accommodations would have
> adequate notice of their obligations and ample time to take steps to
> bring themselves into compliance. Businesses have had a full decade
to
> become ADA compliant, and there is no reason for further delay.
>
> * There is ample information and training available for businesses to
> determine if they are in compliance.
> Each year for the last seven years, the U.S. Justice Department has
> notified more than 6 million businesses of their responsibilities
> under ADA and how to comply. The Justice Department also runs a
> toll-free ADA information line, which receives more than 100,000
calls
> a year. Given that materials are prepared for a wide array of
business
> and specifically for small businesses, there is no reason that a
> business cannot determine if they are ADA compliant well before a
> lawsuit is filed.
>
> * Three months is too long for someone who needs an accommodation
> today.
> Persons with disabilities should be able to engage in such basic
> activities as work, travel and obtaining healthcare without worrying
> about which businesses are complying with the ADA and which ones are
> breaking the law. Persons with disabilities have had to travel from
> hotel to hotel to find one that is wheelchair accessible, have had to
> demand that their guide dogs be allowed into restaurants, and have
had
> to risk losing their professional accreditation when mandatory
> education classes were not sign-language interpreted.
>
> * Claims of frivolous lawsuits are already handled in current law.
> The bill's supporters claim that the legislation would cut down on
> frivolous lawsuits. But frivolous lawsuits are already prohibited by
> law and such claims are regularly handled by courts and state bar
> associations. Courts already fine law firms and plaintiffs when they
> find that a lawsuit is frivolous.
>
> TAKE ACTION!
>
> © ACLU

This is Clinton's fault.  I'm tired of having to pay triple taxes so
they can fit buses with 6 feet wide seats so some FATASS CAN SIT.
Earth to obese person:  lose weight if you want to take the bus.  Why
can't terrorist loving, anti-American disabled people just learn to
SHUT THE FUCK UP like our mute friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't Jesus say that disabled people should die.  Something like "If
thou arth special, the offeth thyself and stoppeth wasting valuable
oxygen."

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
news:w40Bd.15523$jn.9526@lakeread06...
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:30:44 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
> >news:l2XAd.15483$jn.8539@lakeread06...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:55:59 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
> >> <CosmicDawgISaFAKEaddress@anywhere.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >poor fucking disabled person
> >>
> >> Wow, that speak volume about yourself as an insensitive jerk!
> >>
> >> You're complaining about disabled people getting "unnecessary"
> >> reasonable accommodations that are necessary for them to be able to do
> >> the job to support themselves for a living like you and enjoy life.
> >> You would rather have them thrown out into the sea. You're really one
> >> sick bastard.
> >>
> >> I'll tell you what. Chop off both your legs and when you come back
> >> here in one year, you will realize you were being such an insensitive
> >> jerk! Nobody will care about you and you'll be sobbing and whining
> >> everyday for sure!
> >
> >Just remember that disability can be just a nanosecond away. Ask Chris
> >Reeve.
>
> Can be anything. Like plane crashing onto you and you survived. Or a
> botched robbery into your home that left you crippled. Or a freak car
> crash. Freak things can happen. You can become deaf the next morning
> for no reason. This happened.
>
> No one is immuned from becoming disabled.
>
> One has to get off his high horse and stop looking down those who are
> less fortunate. This person can be next. Noone is immortal forever.

My point, exactly. Remember time wounds all heels.

"Furious George" <bugme_69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1104452398.856662.275320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

Deaf Power wrote:
>
http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/DisabilityRights.cfm?ID=9962&c=69
>
> Preserve the Rights of the Disabled
>
>  The Americans with Disabilities Act was passed by Congress in 1990
> with overwhelming bipartisan support, and signed into law by
President
> Bush and the evidence of its success is everywhere. Handicap parking
> spaces, Braille instructions on ATM's, and ramps built into sidewalks
> have all become commonplace fixtures that make an enormous difference
> in the lives of persons with disabilities. Yet, despite ample
evidence
> that the ADA is working, some Members of Congress are trying to place
> new roadblocks to justice for people with disabilities.
>
> A bill called the "ADA Notification Act" (HR 728) was introduced by
> Rep Mark Foley (R-FL) to punish individuals for bringing timely
> lawsuits to enforce the ADA. Legislation of this nature would punish
> individuals who do not first notify a business of an ADA violation
and
> then wait nearly three months before filing a lawsuit - even if the
> business has been breaking the law for years!
>
> Take Action! Urge your members of Congress to oppose this
legislation.
>
> * The ADA has been in effect for 14 years. Businesses that have spent
> the past decade breaking the law should not be rewarded.
> Supporters of this bill claim that it would ensure that businesses
are
> given adequate notice. In reality, the ADA included several
safeguards
> to ensure that businesses and other public accommodations would have
> adequate notice of their obligations and ample time to take steps to
> bring themselves into compliance. Businesses have had a full decade
to
> become ADA compliant, and there is no reason for further delay.
>
> * There is ample information and training available for businesses to
> determine if they are in compliance.
> Each year for the last seven years, the U.S. Justice Department has
> notified more than 6 million businesses of their responsibilities
> under ADA and how to comply. The Justice Department also runs a
> toll-free ADA information line, which receives more than 100,000
calls
> a year. Given that materials are prepared for a wide array of
business
> and specifically for small businesses, there is no reason that a
> business cannot determine if they are ADA compliant well before a
> lawsuit is filed.
>
> * Three months is too long for someone who needs an accommodation
> today.
> Persons with disabilities should be able to engage in such basic
> activities as work, travel and obtaining healthcare without worrying
> about which businesses are complying with the ADA and which ones are
> breaking the law. Persons with disabilities have had to travel from
> hotel to hotel to find one that is wheelchair accessible, have had to
> demand that their guide dogs be allowed into restaurants, and have
had
> to risk losing their professional accreditation when mandatory
> education classes were not sign-language interpreted.
>
> * Claims of frivolous lawsuits are already handled in current law.
> The bill's supporters claim that the legislation would cut down on
> frivolous lawsuits. But frivolous lawsuits are already prohibited by
> law and such claims are regularly handled by courts and state bar
> associations. Courts already fine law firms and plaintiffs when they
> find that a lawsuit is frivolous.
>
> TAKE ACTION!
>
> � ACLU

This is Clinton's fault.  I'm tired of having to pay triple taxes so
they can fit buses with 6 feet wide seats so some FATASS CAN SIT.

--For people with an anus as big as yours, they need those seats, too.

Earth to obese person:  lose weight if you want to take the bus.  Why
can't terrorist loving, anti-American disabled people just learn to
SHUT THE FUCK UP like our mute friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't Jesus say that disabled people should die.  Something like "If
thou arth special, the offeth thyself and stoppeth wasting valuable
oxygen."

--------------------------

Thanks for the Canadian perspective. As for your knowledge of
Christianity...well....

On 30 Dec 2004 17:06:32 -0800, "Furious George" <bugme_69@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>This is Clinton's fault.  I'm tired of having to pay triple taxes so
>they can fit buses with 6 feet wide seats so some FATASS CAN SIT.
>Earth to obese person:  lose weight if you want to take the bus.  Why
>can't terrorist loving, anti-American disabled people just learn to
>SHUT THE FUCK UP like our mute friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So for those soldiers returning from Iraq blowned up by bombs now
disabled... are they now terrorist loving, anti-American disabled
people?

>Didn't Jesus say that disabled people should die.  Something like "If
>thou arth special, the offeth thyself and stoppeth wasting valuable
>oxygen."

Isn't there one of those commandments that says "Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself"?

Your hatred is so astounding!

You've been reading too much MAD magazines. And Bush has succeeded in
brainwashing you to death with those terrors....

Go seek psychological help, my friend....

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message 
news:2A2Bd.15543$jn.5385@lakeread06...
>
> On 30 Dec 2004 17:06:32 -0800, "Furious George" <bugme_69@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>This is Clinton's fault.  I'm tired of having to pay triple taxes so
>>they can fit buses with 6 feet wide seats so some FATASS CAN SIT.
>>Earth to obese person:  lose weight if you want to take the bus.  Why
>>can't terrorist loving, anti-American disabled people just learn to
>>SHUT THE FUCK UP like our mute friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> So for those soldiers returning from Iraq blowned up by bombs now
> disabled... are they now terrorist loving, anti-American disabled
> people?
>
>>Didn't Jesus say that disabled people should die.  Something like "If
>>thou arth special, the offeth thyself and stoppeth wasting valuable
>>oxygen."
>
> Isn't there one of those commandments that says "Thou shalt love thy
> neighbour as thyself"?
>
> Your hatred is so astounding!
>
> You've been reading too much MAD magazines. And Bush has succeeded in
> brainwashing you to death with those terrors....
>
> Go seek psychological help, my friend....

Good lord, Deaf, are you short, too?!

Some things just go over your head.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:08:27 GMT, "MonkeyHawk"
<monkeyhawk@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message 
>news:2A2Bd.15543$jn.5385@lakeread06...
>>
>> On 30 Dec 2004 17:06:32 -0800, "Furious George" <bugme_69@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>This is Clinton's fault.  I'm tired of having to pay triple taxes so
>>>they can fit buses with 6 feet wide seats so some FATASS CAN SIT.
>>>Earth to obese person:  lose weight if you want to take the bus.  Why
>>>can't terrorist loving, anti-American disabled people just learn to
>>>SHUT THE FUCK UP like our mute friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> So for those soldiers returning from Iraq blowned up by bombs now
>> disabled... are they now terrorist loving, anti-American disabled
>> people?
>>
>>>Didn't Jesus say that disabled people should die.  Something like "If
>>>thou arth special, the offeth thyself and stoppeth wasting valuable
>>>oxygen."
>>
>> Isn't there one of those commandments that says "Thou shalt love thy
>> neighbour as thyself"?
>>
>> Your hatred is so astounding!
>>
>> You've been reading too much MAD magazines. And Bush has succeeded in
>> brainwashing you to death with those terrors....
>>
>> Go seek psychological help, my friend....
>
>Good lord, Deaf, are you short, too?!

?

>Some things just go over your head.

?

"Deaf Power" <deaf@power.com> wrote in message
news:2A2Bd.15543$jn.5385@lakeread06...
>
> On 30 Dec 2004 17:06:32 -0800, "Furious George" <bugme_69@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This is Clinton's fault.  I'm tired of having to pay triple taxes so
> >they can fit buses with 6 feet wide seats so some FATASS CAN SIT.
> >Earth to obese person:  lose weight if you want to take the bus.  Why
> >can't terrorist loving, anti-American disabled people just learn to
> >SHUT THE FUCK UP like our mute friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> So for those soldiers returning from Iraq blowned up by bombs now
> disabled... are they now terrorist loving, anti-American disabled
> people?
>
> >Didn't Jesus say that disabled people should die.  Something like "If
> >thou arth special, the offeth thyself and stoppeth wasting valuable
> >oxygen."
>
> Isn't there one of those commandments that says "Thou shalt love thy
> neighbour as thyself"?
>
> Your hatred is so astounding!

S/h/it is trolling.

>
> You've been reading too much MAD magazines. And Bush has succeeded in
> brainwashing you to death with those terrors....
>
> Go seek psychological help, my friend....
>