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Big Don wrote:
> 
> Some ADA LOOT_OctoPromoter sent Big Don the following:
> > [...]
> >Assumption: A person with mental retardation cannot be trained to perform
> >a job as well as an employee without a disability.
> >
> >Fact: Over two-thirds of the 4,000 participants in Pizza Hut, Inc.'s "Jobs
> >Plus Program" are persons with mental retardation. The current turnover
> >rate among these employees with disabilities is a modest 20% compared to
> >the 150% turnover rate of employees without disabilities. This means a
> >drop in recruitment and training costs.
> 
> Question:  Does Pizza Hut charge for the *drool* as an "extra topping"?

Question - have you been a troll for long? I'd guess not - you seem to be too
self-impressed with your wit - which hardly qualifies as such - to be taking
it seriously.

You do seem to fail to take into account that there are different degrees of
mental retardation. 

Most poeple who are mentally retarded are very self-conscious about their
appearances and take great pains to never drool, at least not where anyone can
see them and assuredly not on food.

> 
> The Bell Curve has an outstanding discussion of why you don't want dumb
> employees (it's in the non-controversial first-half of the book which
> few of the reviewers read because it deals only with white people).

You know, it's extremely difficult to find someone too dumb to work making
pizzas or bussing tables. It's essential work, that someone has to do. Why not
let people who are hard workers have a job that they can do, and can do well,
and thus they can support themselves instead of being supported by the
taxpayer.

It makes a lot more sense to move disabled persons towards employability than
to waste taxpayer resources, especially in today's robust, labor-shortaged
[sic] economy.

> See, in particular, Chapter 3, "Economic Pressure to Partition" which
> discusses the way people with different IQs end up in different jobs.
> (pg 78-79).

In a word, "duh" - it takes a rocket-scientist to do rocket-science. But the
vast majority of skilled work (outside of artisanship) is rapidly becoming
more-effectively done by robots and numerical-control machine-tools; and
outside of the service economy and value-added-service economies, almost all
labor demands nowhere near the full intellectual resources of the persons so
employed.

Disabled persons categorically deserve the opportunity to do whatever work
they're capable-of, in a workplace free (as possible, given the fact that
people like you seem to abound) of workplace discrimination. Any "reasonable
accomodation" that can be made to help such people off of public assistance
and into self-reliance is an accomodation that's not only reasonable, but
sensible.

Speaking as a disabled person, who has had _ample_ cause and opportunity to
use the ADA, but who never has, I'd like to ask you to reconsider your
quite-inhumane bashing of those less-fortunate than yourself.

By the way, in case you're wondering what my disability is, please see
something that I did as a public service, free-of-charge and which I pay to
keep mounted to the Web - 

http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/ada_ota.html

> 
> Big Don
> No OctoLawyer-enriching LOOT ADA ~!!~

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klaatu <klaatu@clark.net> wrote:
[] Big Don wrote:
	[...]
[] > Question:  Does Pizza Hut charge for the *drool* as an "extra topping"?
[] 
[] Question - have you been a troll for long? I'd guess not - you seem to be too
[] self-impressed with your wit - which hardly qualifies as such - to be taking
[] it seriously.

I wish that I could concur with your assumption of BD merely being a
troll--I could more easily ignore him then--but I'm afraid to say that
it's worse than that.  

The truth is that we should all ignore him (people in this thread may
not realize the racist thread he has going elsewhere), but it's hard
to--his posts are such an experience (not as he intends it though)..
Basically, BD will speak out against any person that isn't clean,
smart, white and basically living somewhere in the realm of qualified
living as Big Don sees it.  Black, the handicapped, the poor, anyone
who rides mass transit for any reason, the retarded, even the elderly.

[] You do seem to fail to take into account that there are different degrees of
[] mental retardation. 

And there you have it, hook, line and sinker.  Big Don will never show
signs of wavering, being convinced, crossing over, being flexible,
learning anything, seeing a different viewpoint or perspective.  He
sees the world through Big Don glasses and when someone asks him why
he thinks what he thinks, he searches through resources on the net and
posts it as something from his files -- this, he calls "proof".  It is
of course, not very clever propaganda. 

Disclaimer: the following is not meant as an insult, but merely a
statement of my honest opinion of BD:

He's just an incredibly arrogant, narrow minded and not very
intelligent (don't let vocabulary fool you) white supremacist who
doesn't realize that *most* of his countries population doesn't see
things his way and that all of his ranting and ravings are doing
nothing but educating most of the readers as to what kind of thing
such a man would do with his free time.  He's not convincing anyone
but himself; it's true.

He's an amazing study though ... I can't say I'm not learning
*something*.   ;^)

Eh?


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Between uncoordinated guitar riffs Not A Speck Of Cereal wrote:
> 
> The truth is that we should all ignore him (people in this thread may
> not realize the racist thread he has going elsewhere), but it's hard
> to--his posts are such an experience (not as he intends it though)..
> Basically, BD will speak out against any person that isn't clean,
> smart, white and basically living somewhere in the realm of qualified
> living as Big Don sees it.  Black, the handicapped, the poor, anyone
> who rides mass transit for any reason, the retarded, even the elderly.

Guitar players suck the worst...

> And there you have it, hook, line and sinker.  Big Don will never show
> signs of wavering, being convinced, crossing over, being flexible,
> learning anything, seeing a different viewpoint or perspective.  He
> sees the world through Big Don glasses and when someone asks him why
> he thinks what he thinks, he searches through resources on the net and
> posts it as something from his files -- this, he calls "proof".  It is
> of course, not very clever propaganda.

Rather than produce facts, Speck prefers hysterical arm-waving,
belching, and farting...

> Disclaimer: the following is not meant as an insult, but merely a
> statement of my honest opinion of BD:

Speck is really a nice guy, but having to kiss Bill Gates' LOOT ass all
day can get to a fella...

> He's just an incredibly arrogant, narrow minded and not very
> intelligent (don't let vocabulary fool you) white supremacist who
> doesn't realize that *most* of his countries population doesn't see
> things his way and that all of his ranting and ravings are doing
> nothing but educating most of the readers as to what kind of thing
> such a man would do with his free time.  He's not convincing anyone
> but himself; it's true.

Don't mind Speck, he gets like this when Microsoft stock drops and he
has to postpone his retirement a few more years...

Big Don
No LOOT Out-of-Tune Guitars ~!!~

About to become Mech - Jam,  Xchrisshe@microsoft.comX (Not A Speck Of
Cereal), says:
}klaatu <klaatu@clark.net> wrote:
}[] Big Don wrote:
}	[...]
}[] > Question:  Does Pizza Hut charge for the *drool* as an "extra topping"?
}[] 
}[] Question - have you been a troll for long? I'd guess not - you seem to be too
}[] self-impressed with your wit - which hardly qualifies as such - to be taking
}[] it seriously.
}
}I wish that I could concur with your assumption of BD merely being a
}troll--I could more easily ignore him then--but I'm afraid to say that
}it's worse than that.  
}
}The truth is that we should all ignore him (people in this thread may
}not realize the racist thread he has going elsewhere), but it's hard
}to--his posts are such an experience (not as he intends it though)..
}Basically, BD will speak out against any person that isn't clean,
}smart, white and basically living somewhere in the realm of qualified
}living as Big Don sees it.  Black, the handicapped, the poor, anyone
}who rides mass transit for any reason, the retarded, even the elderly.

	Uh, I think it's you with the sicko disorder there speareal.
Why does Don make you so fearful? These dark warnings about reading
his posts, etc..  Are there a lot of people apt to listen to Don's
tasteless rantings?  Are all these people going to finally decode the
scriptures and proclaim them publicly in the streets?( I can see the
headlines in the paper. "Big Don code reveals.....")
What?  It's called mis-emotion or irrationality.  No basis for it, in
fact.  The only basis in reality is that it makes chris feel good
having served yet another endless portion of slander, ridicule and
insult and believe me, no one is fooled.


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Big Don <bigdon@eskimo.com> wrote:
	[...] 
[] Rather than produce facts, Speck prefers hysterical arm-waving,
[] belching, and farting...
[] 
[] > Disclaimer: the following is not meant as an insult, but merely a
[] > statement of my honest opinion of BD:
[] 
[] Speck is really a nice guy, but having to kiss Bill Gates' LOOT ass all
[] day can get to a fella...

I'm tellin' ya BD, it was my honest appraisal of your posting stature.
What shall we say about the level of maturity and honesty in your
response to me, with your post?

[] Don't mind Speck, he gets like this when Microsoft stock drops and he
[] has to postpone his retirement a few more years...

There ya go. This is the sort of comment that we've come to predict
from you. I knew you wouldn't let us down

Chris

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four people make up 75 percent of the population"--David Letterman
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