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In article <1992Aug4.212702.12025@ee.ubc.ca> rafehh@ee.ubc.ca (rafeh hulays) writes:
>>In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug3175041@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>, eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mi
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>>>Surely you jest.  There is more than enough hatred in Israeli politics.
>>>There is considerable evidence that conquest of Arab territories was a
>>>goal of the 1948 war of independence.
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>>>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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>>Jim,
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>>Maybe you should go to history books again (or maybe it's your first time) and
>>learn that the 1948 war was started by the Arab nations srounding Israel by  a
>>massive invation to the Israeli territories in order to destroy the new state o
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>>Israel.
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>>--
>>Naftaly Stramer (303)581-2370, FAX (303)581-9972    DAZIX, An Intergraph Compan
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>The 1948 war did not start with a "massive invation to
>the Israeli territories". It started at earnest in 1947.

Yes, it did.  And it was started by Hajj Amin al-Husseini, nominally the
leader of the Palestinians, began attacking Jewish businesses and
gatherings.  Al-Husseini, it should be noted, was a Nazi collaborator
during the war, and used rhetoric which professed his aim as "pushing
the Jews into the sea."  You'll have to do a lot better than this.

>By the time, Arab armies (read Palace guards)

This characterization does not jibe with history, and Rafeh knows it.

> moved into
>Palestine to help the Palestinians, Zionists forces has
>already diven about 1/2 million Palestinians out of their
>homes and captured areas which were allocated to the Arab
>state.

No, they hadn't, by and large.  I urge those interested to read the
following two sources (which contain rather diverse views):  Benny
Morris's The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem and Shabtai
Teveth's review of same in Middle Eastern Studies 26(2), April 1990,
pages 214-249.  Also, Morris replies to some earlier criticism from
Teveth in a chapter of his book 1948 and After (which came out several
months before Teveth's review).  These works have been discussed at
length in talk.politics.mideast, and it is a debate I see little need to
rehash.  In my opinion, Teveth comes out from the exchange looking quite
a bit better; Brendan McKay, the other main participant in the exchange,
takes the other point of view; we have agreed to disagree on this.

The amount of dreck that has been printed on this subject is quite
extreme; one really has to choose his or her sources carefully.
Examples of dreck which I so often hear referred to which take Rafeh's
point of view include Palumbo's and Quigley's books, neither of which 
deserves much faith from the reader.


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     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder