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Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.

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From: id friedman
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1992 16:06
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In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug3182009@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug2.112925.22708@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markr@mot.com (Mark) writes:
>>   In article <EGGERTJ.92Jul30165655@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>>   >I don't understand what you mean when you say that Israel has been one
>>   >of the USA's most steadfast allies.  Do you mean that the US has, in
>>   >time of need, been able to go to Israel for help?  Do you mean that
>>   >Israel has done its best to do what the US wants it to do?  Please
>>   >explain.
>>
>>   Well, militarily, the US and Israel have a number of joint projects currently, as
>>   well as having purchased each others technology. (Arrow missile, pilotless planes,
>>   tank armor improvements, etc.)  Non-militarily, the US and Israel have a free
>>   trade agreement. (furniture, clothing, etc.)  I believe the US and Israel have
>>   common voting patterns in the UN.  During the Gulf war, Israel stayed out at
>>   the request of the US.
>
>Militarily, Israel has developed the atomic bomb, much to the chagrin
>of the US.  They did so in part by stealing nuclear materials from the

 First of all, U.S politicians didn't make a lot of noise about it, indicating
 that it is debatable whether the U.S was really in "chagrin". Secondly, countries on which the U.S has spent a lot more money ( e.g. France) have developed
 bombs which U.S didn't especially want.
  
 Speaking of bombs, is it not to bad that Israel destroyed Saddamn's. Otherwise,
 the situation in Iraq would have been a bit more thorny, I suppose.

>US.  They have also spied extensively on us (the Pollard case is just
>what has been discovered and revealed).  They have been accused of

 For better or worse, spying is a fact of life on friend and foe. Don't
 accuse Israel of doing what everybody ( including the U.S) does. 
                
 


>selling US military technology to China and South Africa.

 "Accused", as opposed to France, Germany, and many other countries which
  have sold their own and U.S technology to dictators all over the world
  ( and sent their citizens to fight one of them afterwards).


   My earlier posting quoting Keegan still stands.

>Non-militarily US-Israeli trade couldn't make a fly sneeze.  The US
>and Israel have common voting patterns in the UN, mostly because the
>US is backing Israel on a lot of Mideast resolutions.  During the Gulf
>war, Israel stayed out as the result of about 3 minutes of reflection
>on the cost and benefits of bombing Iraq.
>
>
>--
>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)

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