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crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:

>In article <1477@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> p515dfi@mpirbn.UUCP (Daniel Fischer) writes:
>>The spell of Schwarzkopf's 'Video
>>Game' delusion is broken!
>>
>>           Time's running out  -  STOP THE WAR  -  CEASE-FIRE NOW !

>     This is no video game, this is deadly serious, and all of our
>     military and policy makers know it.  Strangely enough, it seems
>     that many of the anti-war demonstrators do not think that
>     the whole situation is very serious.

When Daniel mentions the video game image of this war, he refers to what
we are seeing on TV, and how it influence the people and the comments,
and that there had been a change.  I meet a couple of people here, which
support this war, but rely on the information of the military, that any
effort is made to spare civilians.  That the politicians and the
military are better informed, is not only the probable truth, but my
very hope. 

No, we are not walking on the streets singing "Give peace a chance",
which, as news reached me, is forbidden to be played on radio in GB
nowadays, because life is easy, and everything would be wonderful,
if this dammned bullshit on my TV set won't happen every evening.

We are terrified and in deep sorrow for all the victims of this war,
the israelian people, the kuwaitian people, which did not manage
to escape, and the iraqian people, who deserve something better then
SH. We ask wether this war will reach it objectives (it is to
free Kuwait, I hope, you remember), and we get the following answers:

1. They drop 18000 tons every day on Iraq and Kuwait, and the 
   international Help organisations like the Red Cross guess, that 
   90 per cent of the victims are civilians. 

2. For the absolutely small chance to hit Hussein itself they 
   are bombing Bagdad. Will this help the soldiers to reconquer 
   Kuwait when the land war starts ?

3. Until today, both sides committed war crimes, SH leads 2:1.
   The US bombed running nuclear power plants, Iraq tortured POW'S
   and used environment terror. The damage caused by the broken
   nuclear plants is unknown but we all see what is happening with
   the oil in the gulf.

We think that if this war finally is over, kuwait will be free
but destroyed totally, alsow will be Iraq, and what Israel will
have to suffer until the war is over, god knows.

Did you ever compare the damage and killing today with that before
Jan, 17 ?

>     Also, it is pretty easy to be anti-war when you have been protected for
>     the last 45 years and do not have to shoulder any responsibility
>     for this action since the good old Americans and British are
>     ponying up once again.  Germany has dissapointed me very much
>     by even trying to whine out of their NATO commitment to Turkey.
>     It seems that treaty obligations mean to Germany only gimmee, 
>     gimmee, gimmee.

Sure, whe have the biggest land forces in Europe, hold our own country
ready for any showdown between East and West for over 40 years and 
have now as you think done nothing all the time than shout "gimme, gimme,
gimme". That statement disqualifies you. Think about that every
war scenario for europe did end with at least (!) the nuclear desert
of Germany. We beared this danger for over 40 years. "Gimme, gimme, gimme"

>     Gee, I seem to remember exactly how effective the anti-war effort
>     has been at keeping soviet troops out of the baltic states and
>     keeping iraqi troops out of kuwait.  

You have to accept, that we cannot change everything to good with a
snap of our fingers. You may think now that "we" means peace demonstrants ?
No, "we" means the western world, which feels so responsible for the rest.
They (the western governments) believe that the gulf war will help to
free Kuwait. We (the demnonstrants) believe it does not. If you believe
that war is a solution for Kuwait why not for the balticum ? "It would
be third world war" you may answer. Right. The whole world would blow
up. What is happening in the gulf, is just a blow up of the region.
Sometimes there are no fastworking solutions, sometimes there may be
even no solutions, we have to accept that in general. For Kuwait war
is no solution, embargo would have been a slow solution. For balticum
there is obviously no war solution, and as it seems to me, we cannot
do anything for them, despite demonstrating solidarity.

We are not the rulers of the world, and we are no Gods.

This is true for both, the demonstrants and the western world.

[Danger of soviet troops in eastern germany]
We know that, and maybe we are therefore a little bit more scared by
the rollback in the Soviet union then you are. Do you think, that life
is easy at the front ?

>     I sincerely hope that this is not a majority opinion in the Federal
>     Republic.  Otherwise, I would suggest ...

No, but we work at it.

>  Time's running out - Quit defending Germany - Bring our boys home now.

Maybe its really a big waste of money.

-- 
Olaf Schlueter, Sandkuhle 4-6, 2300 Kiel 1, FRG, schlut@oski.toppoint.de
     Stop bombardment. Continue embargo. Start negotiations. NOW!
700 tons on Dresden killed 60000. 18000 tons on Bagdad killed (censored).