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Article #1459Re: Overwhelming Firepower is Bad doctrine
From: Dharmananda
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51
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remove underscore wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:08:00 GMT, Dharmananda <Nil@neph.net> wrote: > >>remove underscore wrote: >> >>> In a military context - doctrine is an organized set of standards and >>> procedures that allow a large and diverse organization to function >>> cooperatively to achieve a common goal. >>> >> >>So what was the goal of the Army doctrine -- by whatever name -- in the >>attack on Fallujah? > > Doctrine is not a goal. Doctrine is a framework used by soldiers for > co-ordination and planning. > > And the operational goals of the attack on Falluja have been discussed > in the media so many times that I am not even going to bother > repeating them. > > And those goals -- to break the back of the insurgency, and to prepare Iraq for elections -- are now farther from reality, by universal perception throughout the major media, with the exception of FOX news, than they were before the attack. Leaked Marine intelligence essentially agrees with them. (Don't tell me you have access to intelligene. That, if true, which it can't be if you don't have a security clearance, wouldn't invalidate my argument) A doctrine which frustrates its own goals is necessarily bad, wrong, stupid, inept, incompetent, or downright corrupt, however you want to characterize it. Don't ask me to prove that to you. You're supposed to understand that one thing leads to another, and that a doctrine has no value apart from its capacity to achieve its stated goal. That's how everything works on this planet. Your brain is no exception, if it's functioning normally. Therefore, it follows that the doctrine at Falluja can rightly be called BAD DOCTRINE, and the evidence to me is that the doctrine that was used was not, in fact, MOUT. It was Overwhelming Firepower. The Marine commanders even compared the attack, in their pre-operation pep talks, to the battle at Hue, which was fought by that doctrine, to an equally stupid and disasterous result. QED. -- Triratanam sharanam gaccami Dharmananda http://mysite.verizon.net/res6zeam/american-buddhist/news.html
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