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Re: Overwhelming Firepower is Bad doctrine

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From: Dharmananda
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:41
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RTO Trainer wrote:

> Dharmananda <Nil@neph.net> wrote in message
> news:<1204636.UY531aNM1O@news.verizon.net>...
>> DeadMeat wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> > I understand what Overwhelming Firepower is.��That's�where�a�bomb�is
>> > dropped on a house housing your enemy.��Or�where�you�have�the�troops
>> > come in�behind a couple or three M-1s that blow the 2nd floor, 3rd,
>> > 4th, and fifth window on the 2nd and third floor completely away.�
>> > Hell,�kid,�it's done�all�the time and it saves lives on the US side.�
>> > If�you�overkill��it then�it's�still dead and you lost NO people in the
>> > first place.��If�you underkill�it�your ground troops are going to get
>> > some pretty nasty surprises.
>> > 
>> 
>> That makes sense.  But then why is it, pray tell, that one of the other
>> military geniuses on this thread assures me, on the basis of war blogs,
>> that this doctrine, i.e., overwhelming firepower, is outdated?
> 
> Who made that assurance to you "on the basis of war blogs?"

I wrote that before I looked at your blog.  I don't know how I would
characterize it, but I think is's not a typical war blog.
> 
> I told you it was no longer doctrine on the basis of current Army
> doctrine.
> 
> Perhaps the problem here is that you and I have different conceptions
> of the term "doctrine."

We probably do.  And you're in the signal corps, no?  I think that's quite
honorable, but it doesn't necessarily make you an expert on doctrine. 
Since you referenced that blog, I thought it was probably a refernce about
doctrine.  I thought wrong.

I'm a Navy veteran, and my relationship to Army doctrine is quite indirect,
but nonetheless real.  I was in Naval Intelligence in the Viet Nam era,
watching China, and the doctrine about intelligence was simply wrong.  The
intelligence we produced was simply ignored, and the ultimate result of
that doctrine, stupidly conducted for the next 40 years, was 9/11.

The current Army doctrine of overwhlming firepower has resulted in a
wowrld-class atrocity in Fallujah.  This will, at least, completely destroy
what's left of our credibility in the world, and it puts us at grave risk
for another 9/ll at home.

-- 
Triratanam sharanam gaccami
Dharmananda

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