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"Dharmananda" <Nil@neph.net> wrote in message
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> RTO Trainer wrote:
>
> > Dharmananda <Nil@neph.net> wrote in message
> > news:<1204636.UY531aNM1O@news.verizon.net>...
> >> DeadMeat wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I understand what Overwhelming Firepower is. That's where a bomb is
> >> > dropped on a house housing your enemy. Or where you have the troops
> >> > come in behind a couple or three M-1s that blow the 2nd floor, 3rd,
> >> > 4th, and fifth window on the 2nd and third floor completely away.
> >> > Hell, kid, it's done all the time and it saves lives on the US side.
> >> > If you overkill it then it's still dead and you lost NO people in the
> >> > first place. If you underkill it your ground troops are going to get
> >> > some pretty nasty surprises.
> >> >
> >>
> >> That makes sense.  But then why is it, pray tell, that one of the other
> >> military geniuses on this thread assures me, on the basis of war blogs,
> >> that this doctrine, i.e., overwhelming firepower, is outdated?
> >
> > Who made that assurance to you "on the basis of war blogs?"
>
> I wrote that before I looked at your blog.  I don't know how I would
> characterize it, but I think is's not a typical war blog.
> >
> > I told you it was no longer doctrine on the basis of current Army
> > doctrine.
> >
> > Perhaps the problem here is that you and I have different conceptions
> > of the term "doctrine."
>
> We probably do.  And you're in the signal corps, no?  I think that's quite
> honorable, but it doesn't necessarily make you an expert on doctrine.
> Since you referenced that blog, I thought it was probably a refernce about
> doctrine.  I thought wrong.
>
> I'm a Navy veteran, and my relationship to Army doctrine is quite
indirect,
> but nonetheless real.  I was in Naval Intelligence in the Viet Nam era,
> watching China, and the doctrine about intelligence was simply wrong.  The
> intelligence we produced was simply ignored, and the ultimate result of
> that doctrine, stupidly conducted for the next 40 years, was 9/11.
>
> The current Army doctrine of overwhlming firepower has resulted in a
> wowrld-class atrocity in Fallujah.  This will, at least, completely
destroy
> what's left of our credibility in the world, and it puts us at grave risk
> for another 9/ll at home.

I spent some time above the Ho Trail shelling anything that moved.  We used
Overwhelming Firepower once they removed the stupid rules and we got a
President that was no longer being lied to and didn't try to micromanage
each every round fired. Sounds to me like you were there 1968 at the latest.
I didn't show up until 1969 and it wasn't until 1970 that the rules were all
but removed from us where we could shell anything that moved.  20mm Vulcans
make wonderful Elephant guns.

The doctrine is much the same as Nam was from 1970 to 1974 in more ways than
the kids realize.  The term "Win their Hearts and Minds" was used back then
as well.  Had it not been for Pres Ford, the South might still be a seperate
nation from the North.