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Article #1526Re: Overwhelming Firepower is Bad doctrine
From: RTO Trainer
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:57
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:57
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Dharmananda <Nil@neph.net> wrote in message news:<7152320.AaHMmCGklK@news.verizon.net>... > RTO Trainer wrote: > > > Dharmananda <Nil@neph.net> wrote in message > > news:<1204636.UY531aNM1O@news.verizon.net>... > >> DeadMeat wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I understand what Overwhelming Firepower is.��That's�where�a�bomb�is > >> > dropped on a house housing your enemy.��Or�where�you�have�the�troops > >> > come in�behind a couple or three M-1s that blow the 2nd floor, 3rd, > >> > 4th, and fifth window on the 2nd and third floor completely away.� > >> > Hell,�kid,�it's done�all�the time and it saves lives on the US side.� > >> > If�you�overkill��it then�it's�still dead and you lost NO people in the > >> > first place.��If�you underkill�it�your ground troops are going to get > >> > some pretty nasty surprises. > >> > > >> > >> That makes sense. But then why is it, pray tell, that one of the other > >> military geniuses on this thread assures me, on the basis of war blogs, > >> that this doctrine, i.e., overwhelming firepower, is outdated? > > > > Who made that assurance to you "on the basis of war blogs?" > > I wrote that before I looked at your blog. I don't know how I would > characterize it, but I think is's not a typical war blog. > > > > I told you it was no longer doctrine on the basis of current Army > > doctrine. > > > > Perhaps the problem here is that you and I have different conceptions > > of the term "doctrine." > > We probably do. And you're in the signal corps, no? I think that's quite > honorable, but it doesn't necessarily make you an expert on doctrine. > Since you referenced that blog, I thought it was probably a refernce about > doctrine. I thought wrong. > My Signal Corps experience does not make me a expert on doctrine. Being a more than averagely curiousl and studious soldier, though makes ne better informed than most in the same position though. I've read FM 3-0 which defines and describes current doctrine. I didn't reference a blog. > I'm a Navy veteran, and my relationship to Army doctrine is quite indirect, > but nonetheless real. I was in Naval Intelligence in the Viet Nam era, > watching China, and the doctrine about intelligence was simply wrong. The > intelligence we produced was simply ignored, and the ultimate result of > that doctrine, stupidly conducted for the next 40 years, was 9/11. > > The current Army doctrine of overwhlming firepower has resulted in a > wowrld-class atrocity in Fallujah. This will, at least, completely destroy > what's left of our credibility in the world, and it puts us at grave risk > for another 9/ll at home. Overwhelming Firepower is not current doctrine.
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