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Re: More Israel torture (as interrogation technique) discussion

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From: J. S. Greenfield
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1992 06:21
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In article <24469@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug4.042929.1433@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>=>
>=>International law is very specific on this point.  Torture in any form is 
>=>NOT PERMITTED
>
>I hope you'll explain this to the Salvadorans who were tortured by US
>"advisors" during the 70's and 80's (and, who knows, the 90's)

So what is your point?  That two wrongs make a right?

(And frankly, I sincerely doubt that US "advisors" were directly involved
in torturing Salvadorans, though I have no doubt that they gave aid and
comfort to those who were.)


>=>Again I ask: where are the UN sanctions and resolutions?  Why does the US 
>=>support these Israeli terrorists (yes, folks, people who employ torture ARE 
>=>terrorists) and their government?  It is high time that we, as a purported 
>=>world leader in human rights, call a spade a spade and refuse to support 
>=>or assist >ANY< government ANYWHERE that condones or permits these 
>=>"investigative" tactics.
>
>Admirable, Karl, but slightly naive.

How so?  We all know that the UN is completely political, and that the
Security Council, in particular, is designed to allow the permanent members
to exert undue control.

So what?  Does that mean that one cannot call attention to one particular
example of non-feasance?

Yes, it's true that there are many, many other examples of similarly atrocious
behavior by the UN.  So, we can "call a spade a spade" and recognize that
the UN is just a bad political joke, now used to convince unwitting souls
that there is some kind of legitimacy in various unilateral (note, one side
does not necessarily imply one country) actions.

I have a copy of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" in front of
me right now.  That is certainly *not* what the UN is about.

-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
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From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: More Israel torture (as interrogation technique) discussion
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