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In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug3182009@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug2.112925.22708@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markr@mot.com (Mark) writes:
>>   In article <EGGERTJ.92Jul30165655@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>>   >I don't understand what you mean when you say that Israel has been one
>>   >of the USA's most steadfast allies.  Do you mean that the US has, in
>>   >time of need, been able to go to Israel for help?  Do you mean that
>>   >Israel has done its best to do what the US wants it to do?  Please
>>   >explain.
>>
>>   Well, militarily, the US and Israel have a number of joint projects currently, as
>>   well as having purchased each others technology. (Arrow missile, pilotless planes,
>>   tank armor improvements, etc.)  Non-militarily, the US and Israel have a free
>>   trade agreement. (furniture, clothing, etc.)  I believe the US and Israel have
>>   common voting patterns in the UN.  During the Gulf war, Israel stayed out at
>>   the request of the US.
>
>Militarily, Israel has developed the atomic bomb, much to the chagrin
>of the US.  They did so in part by stealing nuclear materials from the
>US.  They have also spied extensively on us (the Pollard case is just
>what has been discovered and revealed).  They have been accused of
>selling US military technology to China and South Africa.
>Non-militarily US-Israeli trade couldn't make a fly sneeze.  The US
>and Israel have common voting patterns in the UN, mostly because the
>US is backing Israel on a lot of Mideast resolutions.  During the Gulf
>war, Israel stayed out as the result of about 3 minutes of reflection
>on the cost and benefits of bombing Iraq.
>
>
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>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)

Well, Mr. Eggert Isreal is not yet the 51st state of the US. We are
an independent nation. Our Atomic advance (whic is not approved
officially) was done with the help of the French in the 50s and 60s
before we were close to the US which was pretty indifferent till 1967

As far as I'm concerned the latest accusations about China/S. Africa is
unsubstantiated and was leaked maliciously when Arens came to Washington
as I remember a special comittee sent to Israel found Israel innocent
with regrad to the Patriot technology.

I think this "3 minutes reflection" was a gross mistake on the part of
Israel, I see no reason why Israel shouldn't have bombed Saddam's brain
other than consideration for US-Arab relationship. This was of course
a complete idiocy since it is against Israel's self interest and we
should put our security much above America's friendship with our avowed
enemies (Assad,Husein etc.)

I'll say that in restraining itself Israel showed OBEDIENCE rather
than consideration to American interests. This is proof that Israel
is even more than a good ally, in this case we functioned like part
of the united states.

David.
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