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In article <22152@venera.isi.edu>, arens@ISI.EDU (Dr. Yigal Arens) writes...

>         In Israel torture is used ROUTINELY by the SHABAK.  I defy
>anyone to demonstrate that the FBI, America's equivalent of the SHABAK,
>makes routine use of torture.  Put up or shut up, Mr. Werman.

>The way is only lengthened by the fact that the Landau Commission (it
>was not a Supreme Court decision, Mr. Werman) chose to classify as
>SECRET the appendix to its report wherein were specified the permitted
>forms of physical torture.  

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I do not know what the FBI does.  Routinely or not.  I was once
quizzed by two very square FBI agents about a friend of mine, no
longer living, who was a member of the Communist Party between 
the ages of 17 and 20.  Since he was a well known physicist, there
might well have been good reason to investigate his background.
What interested the FBI agents was the psychological cause of his
"deviant" behavior.  They insisted that I tell them it was because
his father had died before he was 17.  I tried to go for "a youthful
indiscretion," but they would have none of this.  Not too satisfactory.

That is the extent of my personal knowledge of FBI tactics; they 
certainly did not torture me.  I have even less knowledge of Shabak
techniques.

But Dr. Arens always knows things no one else does; I understand his
doctorate is in Information Sciences.  That probably explains why it
is possible for him to know what goes on - even the routine use of
torture [not confirmed by the Landau report, btw] - even when the 
Landau report that describes the use of reasonable force is "SECRET" 
[his word].


__Bob Werman    rwerman@hujivms.bitnet    rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il
Jerusalem