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Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.

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From: Jake Livni
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 01:06
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In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug5135554@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <BsIq2I.vx@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> idfriedm@hertz.waterloo.edu (id friedman) writes:
>>    For better or worse, spying is a fact of life on friend and foe. Don't
>>    accuse Israel of doing what everybody ( including the U.S) does. 

>First, do you have any evidence that other major US allies (Britain,
>France, Germany) spy on the US?

The latest Information Week, August 10, 1992, states in a story on 
computer security and espionage:

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Corporate spies take many shapes, including your competitors, foes of 
the US government, even supposed allies.  Last year, Pierre Marion, 
the former head of French Intelligence, admitted his country had been
spying on IBM, Corning and TI for a decade.  "In economics", he said,
"we are competitors, not allies."

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If you think that the French Intelligence were only stealing unauthorized
copies of OS/2 from these kinds of companies, and not militarily sensitive
information (and materiel?), then you are naive.

At the time of the Pollard case, one American official (I don't recall 
who) admitted that everyone spies against everyone else and that the
US routinely spies on Israel.  "You don't think that all those antennae 
on top of our Embassy in Tel-Aviv are there just to get the Sunday 
football, do you?"  Remember what Reagan used to say?  "Trust but verify."

Spies among friendly countries get caught every once in a while and 
are quietly handled.  In the Pollard case, Weinberger and the White 
House decided to make a very noisy case of it.  Spying isn't unusual
at all.  Putting people away for life for spying among friends is.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
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