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Article #373Re: Carbon dioxyde : Is USA a democracy ?
From: Gary Hypes
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 18:47
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 18:47
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Boris - I have several thoughts in response to your note. *********************************************** Now I had the impression that US citizens were among the most vigorous militants under the "save the earth" banner. Is this impression mistaken ? *********************************************** Yes, it is mistaken. A more appropriate view can be stated by changing the wording of the sentence to read, "Among the most vigorous militants under the "save the earth" banner are (some) U.S. citizens." To say that the US citizenry, by and large, supports the political agendas of the save-the-earth movement is entirely wrong. There exists significant doubt within the scientific community about "global warming", and significant disagreement about the roles of CO2, CFCs, etc. Even among those who truly believe in it, there is concern about the political and economic agendas of those countries who feel that the U.S. should, in essence, pay the entire bill for cleanup. *********************************************** Would it be legitimate for me to view "the Americans" as the enemies of Earth's future, on average ? *********************************************** No, it would not be legitimate. I find it insulting that you would choose to make such a broad denouncement of an entire nation simply because we don't all stand up and shout "sieg heil" to your particular political views. It would be legitimate to say that Americans, who are comprised by widely disparate cultural, political, and economic subpopulations, are in open disagreement as to the validity, urgency, and priority of "save-the-earth" agendas. ************************************************** Or is it the case that the US governement representatives do not represent the US people on the capital matter of "our common future" ? Would it be legitimate for me to view "the Americans" as a people with no control on their governement, and consequently to view the US territory as one that is not under democratic control ? *************************************************** The U.S. government represents a national position which may or may not be the preference of the people. If the actions are sufficiently unpopular, the result will be a change in the representatives when the next election occurs. You are entirely correct when you say that the US (territory???) is not under "democratic control" - that is, there is not a popular vote taken for each and every action by the government. Our implementation of democracy is through a republican form of government (and I mean "republican" as a political model, not the Republican political party). We elect representatives who we believe will best act in our behalfs and according to our wishes; however, there is no real-time controls (i.e., instantaneous popular voting) on the daily acts of those representatives. Laws are enacted and national policy decisions are made through the conjoined efforts of those representatives. Again, if enough people feel that those representatives have failed to act in our behalf, or according to our wishes, new representatives will be chosen in the next election. **************************************************** Nevertheless, the streets in my city are polluted with giant posters with slogans such as "Welcome to Marlboro Country" or "Lucky Strike - meet an American Original" Again, will you "Americans" over there overtake responsibility for this representation ? Do you expect people all over the world to sort through all the images that "your" industries propagate and discover the ones that represent you as you "truly" are ? **************************************************** I don't know quite how to respond to this. I think that any American company selling in Europe will use whatever American image will be popularly received, leading to increased sales. In many cases, companies will DISGUISE its product's American origins as a sales advantage. (Bank of America created an enormously popular credit card which it marketed under the name "BankAmericard". In order to overcome barriers to international acceptance, in changed the name to "Visa".) In any event, there is no such thing as an American consensus as to what our "image" should or should not be, and I doubt that our companies care about the impact of their advertising on international perceptions of America. That may be irrelevant in any event. Most or all of these companies have European headquarters where these advertising and marketing decisions are made, and these are generally managed by native Europeans. Perhaps your question should be addressed there. Last, if these products or the manner in which they are marketed are genuinely offensive to the populace at large, DON'T BUY THE PRODUCT. The product and its advertisements will disappear in no time at all. -Gary Hypes-
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