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In article <JIME.92Apr10103806@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.082142.7808@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (manu) writes:
>>   ...
>>   Don't go blaming the Jews for American ignorance.
>
>Absolutely.  We have only ourselves to blame.  If we wanted better
>newspapers, we would get them.  Even a Jewish-dominated newspaper (if
>such a thing exists) would be forced to provide its customers with
>what they want.  Well, this is a bit simplistic, for newspaper
>competition has really slacked off recently...
>
>>   ...
>>	   Yes, why don't they see?  Why don't they see that the Palestinians
>>   who they feel sorry for support a terrorist group that has killed Americans
>>   and taken them hostage?  Why don't they see the Palestinians send out 
>>   children to fight the inifada, and that's why they get killed?  Why don't
>>   they see that Israel acquired her land from the Arabs the same why America
>>   acquired land from the Indians?  Why don't they see that Jerusalem has only
>>   been free to people of all religions  under Israeli rule?  
>>	   Let me guess...it's the Jewish owned media that is responsible.
>
>I think that most Americans do know that the PLO is a terrorist group
>that has killed Americans.  (I haven't seen an opinion poll on the
>subject, though.)

>
>As for the Palestinians sending their children out to fight the
>intifada, and thus being solely responsible for their deaths, that is
>a very one-sided view of the conflict.  You are spouting propaganda
>there.

	I didn't say it was the sole reason.  It is not.  But the world
sees Israel as soley responsible and this is also one sided.

>
>Israel did _not_ acquire its land in the same way that that America
>acquired its land.  About 5% of the Israeli partition of the
>Palestinian Mandate had been legally bought by Zionists.  The other
>95% was ceded to the nascent Israel by the UN and the UK, partly
>because it had always been promised to the Zionists, partly because
>the UN wanted to find its own solution to the Jewish Question, and
>partly because the Zionist terrorists were killing and murdering
>Arabs, Brits, and a UN mediator.  The rest of Israel (about half) has
>been acquired by conquest (in wars mostly started by the Arabs).  This
>is not at all similar to the US, where the initial revolution was
>fought as a war, not as a terrorist campaign, and where most of the
>land acquired since 1798 was purchased peacefully (Louisiana Purchase,
>Alaska, Gadsden Purchase) or joined voluntarily (Texas albeit after a
>Texan rebellion against Mexico, Hawaii).
>

	1) Who did the US buy the land from?  Europeans, not American Indians.
The Indians were not pleased to see the white man take their land away.

	2) Hawaii was taken over from the Natives by foreign businessmen
and then they petitioned to be part of the US.

	3)  THe first two battles of the American revolution were fought by
two small bands of colonists that opened fire on the British soldiers.  I 
would bet that if the American revolution was transported to the 20th century
(politically), it would have been originally classified as a terrorist
campaign. 

>And in my admittedly insufficient reading, Jerusalem was free for
>worship to all faiths under British rule.  In fact, one of the early
>Arab-Jew riots in the Palestinian Mandate started because the Jews,
>who had been allowed to worship at the Wailing Wall (then owned by the
>Arabs) wanted to set up a partition there.  The Arabs resisted,
>understandably so, as setting up essentially a building on their land
>would be a step towards claiming ownership of the property.
>

	But East Jerusalem was closed to Jews  under Arab rule.


								-Manu
>--
>=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)


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