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In article <dfs.702929532@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>   In <JIME.92Apr10103806@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>
>   jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>
>   >Israel did _not_ acquire its land in the same way that that America
>   >acquired its land.
>   Wrong.
>  ...
>   Make no mistake, the U.S. gained its land by a war of conquest prosecuted
>   by Europeans against North American Indians.  And the Europeans started the
>   war.

And the U.S. is to blame for European colonialism?  I think you have
the cart before the horse there.

>   >And in my admittedly insufficient reading, Jerusalem was free for
>   >worship to all faiths under British rule.

>   As it is today.  As it was NOT between 1948 and 1967.

The claim I was responding to was that Jerusalem has only been free
for religious worship under Israeli administration.  That claim was false.

>   >In fact, one of the early
>   >Arab-Jew riots in the Palestinian Mandate started because the Jews,
>   >who had been allowed to worship at the Wailing Wall (then owned by the
>   >Arabs) wanted to set up a partition there.
>
>   I didn't know that the Arabs "owned" the Western (preferred term)
>   Wall.  But anyway...

Well, you learned something.  I try to learn things every day.  The
Wailing Wall name is much more poetic, so it is the preferred term.
Western Wall is ambiguous, as it refers also to German defences in
WWII.  If you prefer the Arabic term, it is al-Buraq al-Sharif.

>   This "partition" was to have been a partition to separate men from
>   women, and was certainly not a building.  (Witness the partition there
>   today - basically a small fence.)  This partition was used as an
>   excuse by Arab leaders to incite violence against Jews.  I suggest you
>   read the book "Israel: Roots and Routes" published by Steimatzky
>   publishing house for some more history of that event.

Perhaps you should also mention the fact that the British authorities
nixed the partition idea.  On August 15, 1929, Zionists marched, raised
their flag, and sang the Hatikvah, in violation of their demonstration
permit.  They shouted "the Wall is ours" (or the equivalent in other
languages).  On August 23, 1929, the Arabs, incensed by the Jews'
threats against their property, began to loot the Jewish quarter, and
attacked Jews who got in the way.  The Jews responded with hand
grenades, killing Arabs.

The Jewish demonstrations which brought on the violence were the
brainchild of Vladimir Jabotinsky, who had done much the same thing in
1920 and had served in jail for those crimes.

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=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)