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In article <JIME.92Apr10233057@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.214732.9204@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>>   Whoa!  You can't be serious with this exculpation of the US territorial
>>   acquisitions.  You haven't mentioned the indigenous people -- you
>>   remember -- the Indians?  There isn't a single inch of American
>>   territory that wasn't stolen -- by force or deceit -- from the previous
>>   inhabitants.
>Please remember that my comments were in reply to a claim that the US
>was formed in much the same way as Israel, a claim which you do not
>discuss at all.  Your comments are thus pretty much out of scope.
>
>Your view ignores the fact that the stealing was done by the European
>colonial powers, not the US.  The stealing was done well before 1776
>(much of it centuries before...).  How can you blame the US government
>for that?
>

You must be joking. True for the Eastern half of the counrty, but how
do you think the West was won? Actually, I would say that the Europeans
could only be blamed for taking the 13 colonies. In fact, as I recall,
on of the big greivences against the british was that they said the
colonists couldn't settle any further West. (True, the French were in there,
but they were into trapping and such, not huge settlements). 

>>   Not to mention your distortions of the Revolutionary War,
>>   which certainly had "terroristic" elements.
>Name some please.
>

What is the point anyway? Was there ever a war which did not have terroristic
elements? 

>>   You also managed to miss
>>   mention our "peaceful" acquisition of California, New Mexico, Arizon and
>>   Florida.
>CA and most of NM and AZ were taken by the US by force of military
>arms from Mexico in 1846-48.  The US pretty much conquored Mexico and
>kept the pieces it wanted.  Southern NM and AZ were bought
>peacefully from Mexico in 1854.  Most of FL was bought from the
>Spanish in 1821, after we took it anyway in 1818.
>
Just because Mexico claimed the land is not quite the same a settling it all
and kicking out the Native Americas. Or I should say wiping out. If Mexico
can be blamed for stealing this land from the N.A., then it was the Americans
who, after stealing it from the Mexicans, stole it again from the N.A.

		Ed Hartnett