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In article <1992Apr16.173046.7638@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:

# makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# ># >	What is a minor exception are those actions taken by ZIonists
# ># >during that period that were terrorist actions.
 
# ># Aha!  Now we begin to get the idea.  If an act of resistance (such as
# ># blowing up a hotel serving as British headquarters and killing innocent
# ># Arabs, Jews and British) is committed by Zionists, it is NOT terrorism.
# ># If a similar act, of course, was committed by Palestinians (note,
# ># Makowsky, no cute ?) then it would be a heinous terrorist act.
 
# >	Not at all.  I suggest you do two things.  Go read about what
# >actually happened at the King David hotel (and why it had to happen),
# >and shut up when you do not know what you are talking about.
 
# ># ># >   # >   Do you know what percentage of Israel was contained in the Sinai?

# Well, in fact I have read about the King David hotel bombing, including
# one book dedicated entirely to that single act.  You have yet to explain
# AT ALL why this bombing was _not_ a terrorist act, except by your
# constant reassertion that it wasn't.  Somewhere, however, you did say
# that the Irgun was slandered by the Jewish Agency - presumably you think
# they were good guys.
 
	I believe I had explained why, but even if I did not Jim gave one
reason why (the warning - which the British in a costly act of
arrogance chose to ignore).  It was also the British headquaters, and
it contained the locations of members of Irgun/Lehi, which would have
been used to round them up.

	As to your charecterization of the Irgun, they were.

# I repeat: if the bombing of the King David Hotel had been carried out by
# Palestinians you would not have hesitated to call it terrorism.

	Maybe, maybe not.  You do not know.  And even if I did, that would
not necessarily make me right (or wrong).

# ># ># >	   What the world community considered it was irelevent.  How would
# ># ># >   you like it if the world community refused to recognize your property
# ># ># >   rights to your own home?  
 
# ># This is a very good question.  Turn it around, Makowsky, how would you
# ># feel if you were a Palestinian Arab in Jaffa in 1947.  The United
# ># Nations tells you that your home is actually in the Jewish state. How
# ># would you like it?
 
# >	Well, they did not do this.  At any rate, claiming the home was in
# >a certain state is not the same as taking possesion of the home.
 
	So you have seen a response from me!

# But actions taken by Jewish forces to expel Arabs once the state was
# created certainly _were_.

	The only ones that could qualify as such were miniscule (if at
all).  If the Arabs had not used their homes and villages for attacks
on Jews, then you would be correct.  But the Israel would not have
taken the actions they did either.

# ># And please, explain your relationship to Gush Emunim.
 
# >	What makes you think I have a relationship with them?  It is none
# >of your busines, but I am not associated with them in any way.
 
# So what do you think of their goals?

	Which ones?

# ># Just out of
# ># curiosity, what are the real borders of Greater Israel?
 
# >	First of all I laugh when people use the term "Greater Israel".  I
# >do not know what you are talking about.  Apparently "Greater Israel"
# >is supposed to be a translation of "Eretz Yisrael".  It does not even
# >come close.
 
# Well, then, given that I don't speak Hebrew, I will bow to your superior
# translation.  Tell me, then, what are the real borders of Eretz Yisrael?

	I do not know, nor do I know why I should know (I am not an
Israeli), nor do I know why if I did know why would this be relevent.

# >	Just out of curiousity, what are the real borders of Greater
# >United States?  Or if you wish, what are the borders of the United
# >States?
 
# Please don't try to sidetrack the issue; we are not speaking of past
# expansionist behavior of the US -- which definitely existed and which I
# have no sympathy for.  We are talking about the borders of Israel and
# whether people like you ever had any intention of accepting the original
# partition of Palestine or even the current borders.  The issue of the
# occupied territories is very much a question of expansionism.

	I am not trying to sidetrack the issue.  You asked a quaestion I
cannot answer, nor should I have to.  I assume you are an American,
therefore my question to you is more reasonable then yours is to me.

# The borders of the US have been pretty clearly defined for a  while: try
# looking at a map.

	Then why do not you do the same!
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David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu