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ab> Alex Bunker

ab> World government is inevitable.

  That's what Marx said about communism too. We seem to have deviated from his
  "inevitable" course.

ab> If we do not set up a democratic world legislature it will be the multi-
ab> national corporations which will form a capitalist oligarchy.

  They already have, to an extent. Whether it can be called "capitalist" or
  not is debatable. Mostly with the help of democratic nations, too.

ab> Which do YOU want?

  Neither. World anarchy.

ab> Well, I can see people having arguments for both sides:
ab> For multinational corportaions:
ab>     Business will be unfettered people will have the greatest freedom 
ab>     to do what they want within the confines of maximum short term 
ab>     financial gain. 

  Partly because governments screw around with the market so much it's nearly
  impossible to determine what the rules will be next week, next month, next
  year, or next decade. If there's one thing capitalism needs, it's some sem-
  blence of stability, and governments are constantly destabilizing the mar-
  let with tariffs, trade barriers, protectionism, subsidies, etc.

ab>     A world government could combine with a world bureaucracy that
ab>     will be unwieldy and just as corrupt as any other government 
ab>     existing today except no-one would be able to escape (The plan
ab>     is that by world government I mean ALL of humanity on moon mars
ab>     etc...  NO ESCAPE.)

  Bingo. Why start off the process by creating a world government in the first
  place? Aren't you just asking for trouble by centralizing authority and the
  use of force to such an extent? The Soviet system controlled 1/6th of the
  world's land surface, and they made a hell of a mess of it, environmentally,
  economically, politically, and about every other -ally you can think of.

ab> For world government:
ab>     Rule by the multinational elite will lead to unsustainable 
ab>     growth with every policy made by every nation being dictated
ab>     by maximum short term profit for THEM. The poor will be doomed
ab>     NOTHING will be done to alleviate the cycle of dispair, crime
ab>     and violence rise.  The development, in the absense of long
ab>     term planning will be unsustainable. The mostly elderly fellows
ab>     who run the multicorporate oligarchy MCO will not be alive that
ab>     long so they do not really care.  Humanity will become a cancer
ab>     devouring the environment.

  Nah, we will have wars, famines, diseases, and genocides to take care of
  that. 

  In any case, what you've described is a regional government, ie, the old
  Soviet "communist" system. Your ideas will very likely lead to such a
  system perpetrating itself across the entire planet.

ab>     The MCO will dictate the gospel that we are already hearing
ab>     of "maximum consumption" because this is what lines their 
ab>     pockets. Since everything we see hear etc.. in the media will
ab>     be controlled by them this will be all pervasive. Most higher
ab>     life forms will be extinct within 200 years.

  Isn't this going a little too far? Besides, (being dark here) what do you 
  care? You aren't going to be around in 200 years anyway. If you ask me, 
  it's the increasing centralization of authority that will plunge us into
  another "Dark Ages". It happened once before when organized religion was
  powerful and the State and the Church became One. It happened again when
  Economy and State (and a kind of Church) became One under communism. It
  will very likely happen once more when everything becomes One, that is,
  a world government. During the other times, we humans were fortunate in 
  that the entire planet didn't become part of the One. You're driving
  straight towards that goal, though.

ab> There IS no other choice if we do not establish a WG we will get a MCO.

  Two and only two choices, eh? The world isn't black-and-white, you know.

ab> Which do you prefer?

  Neither. World anarchy.


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Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
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