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Subject: Re: European Social democracy vs. American Capitalism
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Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)

Alex Bunker writes
> Gary Strand writes:
> >  In any case, all the countries which have your style of socialism have
> >  other parties of lesser or greater socialistic orientation, those parties 
> >  with a decidedly less leftist bent being ascendant for several years now,
> >  at least. 
> 
> NOT!
> The last european parliamentary elections say the Eurosocialists take
> power away from the Christian Demos. CDU in germany is in BIG trouble
> and the SDP is gaining popularity etc..

NOT ! NOT !

The Eurosocialists did _not_ take away power from the Christian Democrats. The  
Eurosocialists have had control of the EP since it was founded. This just  
didn't change the last time around. 

As for the CDU, every single mid-term it has been low in the polls and yet it  
did win every single national election in Germany for more than a decade. And  
the opposition party which is by the way the SPD (you would not happen to be a  
synonym for Thurgood Marshall here posting on the net ?). This party is so  
_terminally_ embarrased about it close friendship with the butchers of the  
StaSi-state that I'm surprised that it is still around e.g. just a few years  
before the wall fell they actually managed to get the west german center for  
the tracking of human rights violations in east germany closed because it  
offended their friends who are now on trial for mass murder (that was _their_  
argument).

> See above Kinnock made one of the biggest seat gains for a
> political party i a single election in British history.
> The cons. just had too strong an encumbancy factor. They
> wont have that next time and they will lose. What you say
> about Norway is about 2 years out of date. Mitterand is
> just the victim of a cranky electrorate the right is no
> more popular. 

So that it why he was booted out of his party post ? Because he was such a  
great victor ? I'm afraid your understanding of politics is a little bit  
confused.

As for Mitterand he is one of the last ruling self-confessed communists in  
Europe. But if East Berlin and Moscow can fall, so can Paris.

	Carl Edman