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In article <28JUL199208060474@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
 LOTS OF VERY RIDICULOUS STUFF


Of all the nationalistic and intolerant articles posted here yours is
the one that disturbes me the most.  Maybe for you the war on the
teritory of ex Yugoslavia is not real, but for the people whose
closest have died, it is more then real - it's terrifying!  I don't
know where you grew up and what your morals are, but I have trouble
with your acceptance of human casualties so easily.  So maybe you need
to readjust your values and do some soul searching in order to
determine what is real for somebody, and what isn't.  And rather than
criticising people for not willing to be poked by journalists, maybe
you should poke yourself with a couple of bullets and see how real it
gets...

		Hope there is still humanity on this planet!

				--- Davor

In article <27JUL199207421384@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
> This Sunday's NY Times Magazine contained a portfolio of photos 
> titled "The Dying City of Sarajevo." First, here's what it =should=
> have included:

And what are you?  A journalist/editor?  Who are you to say what should have
been included where?  If you want the kind of gore you're asking for, just
check out CNN any half hour.  Or have a look at some of the pictures that
are being sent back by photo/reporter crews that various newspapers are
sending over to get the truth out (e.g. the Toronto SUN).

> In other words, they used scenes that are about the size of the
> average movie set, and look like they were set up to make a
> movie, to represent the alleged destruction of a whole city.
> This strengthens my position that the allegations are fiction. 

A vacuous argument strengthens nothing ... except perhaps the obvious
implication that you fall in the same camp as the idiot fanatics that
still continue to try to convince people that the Holocaust never happened,
that it was fiction and fabrication by the Jews:  Those pictures of heaps
of bones used to make manure for Auschwitz's commandant's cabbage patch --
hey!  they're all fabrication!  Those mass-grave photos found by the
liberating allies -- they used actors!  and so on it goes.

You're a sick person.  You might reflect, for a moment, on the value
of the tolerance this society has -- and at what cost -- to allow your
type of drivel to be disseminated.  Making bets about the true anguish
of the death and misery we watch each day from the comfort of our living
rooms can only be the product of a sick mind.
-- 
Steve Pozgaj (signature in postmark; cute remarks in comics section)

In article <1992Jul28.162327.1024@athena.mit.edu> dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic) writes:
>In article <28JUL199208060474@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
> LOTS OF VERY RIDICULOUS STUFF
>
>
>Of all the nationalistic and intolerant articles posted here yours is
>the one that disturbes me the most.  Maybe for you the war on the
>teritory of ex Yugoslavia is not real, but for the people whose
>closest have died, it is more then real - it's terrifying!  I don't
>know where you grew up and what your morals are, but I have trouble
>with your acceptance of human casualties so easily.  So maybe you need
>to readjust your values and do some soul searching in order to
>determine what is real for somebody, and what isn't.  And rather than
>criticising people for not willing to be poked by journalists, maybe
>you should poke yourself with a couple of bullets and see how real it
>gets...
>
>		Hope there is still humanity on this planet!
>
>				--- Davor

  Or even better.......Why doesn't Mr. Packer get on the next 
  possible flight to Europe and then go to Sarajevo and see with
  his own eyes whether or not there is a war going on. 
  Then he might stop posting his crap on the news.

This is a follow-up to the original posting by Charles Parker.  I am posting 
this on behalf of my brother-in-law Edward Kesich (who does not have access 
to the net).  Please send any replies to my attention via e-mail.

Emily Rizzo


to: "THOMAS" aka Charles Packer
subject: war in Croatia/Bosnia
Scepticism is a worthy attribute, especilly in this age of high tech
news management.  in the case of the war in C & B, there is much which
should be taken with a grain of salt.  Unfortunately, the material damage
and human suffering are both all too real.  the so called faked NYTimes
photos from Sarajevo are, in fact, exactly what one would expect from a combat
zone (ie walls of shell struck church are *not* pristine; roof tiles,
which are hung in series, *will* rain down like water when subjected to the
impact of pressure from an explosive blast). however, since those who
have been most affected by the war are unlikely to have pc's, and less likely
still to have network access, it is doubtful that your request for first
person accounts will be successful.  therefore might I suggest that you
arrange to visit the war zone yourself.  after all, to paraphase the
apostle Thomas, "seeing is believing."  Though, admittedly, in a sense,
I'd almost rather you remained a non-believer; I wish I could be.

Edward Kesich

I assure you that I am indeed making plans to go to
Sarajevo in September or early October. It's not clear at
this moment how I'm going to gain entry to the city if
it is sealed off to outsiders, but I'm going to check
with various humanitarian organizations for information 
on this.

In the meantime, see my concurrent posting "Kneejerk reaction
to Sarajevo questions".

packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>
>In other instances, people got angry when I asked too many
>questions, as if their assertions that they saw the war were
>enough.

What a surprise!  You call people liars to their faces and they get
upset!  What will they come up with next?
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy      Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu      AppleLink: j.mccarthy
 "Oh shut up."                         - Dan "Maynard" Gannon, 28 July 1992