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THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? The Case for Open Debate
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Author: Ralph Winston
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From _The Daily Northwestern_
(Northwestern University's newspaper),
Thursday, April 4, 1991:


              THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?

                      The Case for Open Debate


The Contemporary Issue --

     No subject enrages America's thought police more than Holocaust
revisionism.  The politically correct line on the Holocaust story is,
simply, it happened.  You don't debate "it."  You do debate every other
historical event of course, but the Holocaust is an exception.  If
someone does express doubt about some aspect of the Holocaust story,
it's politically correct to respond with outrage, contempt and
guilt-by-association tactics.  We used to call that behavior
McCarthy-ite.  Now we say it's "progressive."

     The Holocaust lobby claims that it is a social good when ideology
replaces free inquiry, intimidation represses open debate, and when the
ideals of the university itself are exchanged for intellectual taboos
and not-so-secret political agendas.  Let's ask these people -- what
makes such behavior a social good?  Who benefits?

The Historical Issue --

     For half a century it has been asserted that during World War II
the German State had a policy to "exterminate" the Jews and other
peoples of Europe in execution gas chambers.  This allegation was
institutionalized at the great Nuremberg trial, led by the Soviets and
the U.S.  While the proceedings at Nuremberg were politically correct,
the evidence supports the then Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court,
Harlan Fiske Stone, who called the Nuremberg court simply "a lynching
party for Germans."

     Mainline Holocaust historians are under considerable pressure from
Revisionist scholarship to address the more blatant examples of
Holocaust fraud and falsehood.  Increasingly, academics are committing
themselves to publishing their own revisions of the orthodox Holocaust
story.  The "re-writing" of the Holocaust story has begun in earnest.

Auschwitz

     Arno J. Mayer, chaired professor of European history at Princeton
University, has written in his _Why the Heavens Did Not Darken_, that
at Auschwitz more people died of "natural causes" than were killed. 
Mayer is a Jew and himself a refugee from the Nazi regime.

     British historian David Irving, perhaps the most widely read
historian writing in English, has called the Auschwitz death-camp story
a "sinking ship" and states that there were "no gas chambers at
Auschwitz...."

     Yehuda Bauer, Director of Holocaust Studies at Hebrew University
in Jerusalem, states that it is "patently false" that 4 million Jews
and others were killed at Auschwitz.

     The Auschwitz State Museum has "revised" its half-century-old
claim that 4-million humans were killed there.  The Museum now says
maybe it was 1 million.  What documentary evidence does the Museum
proffer for the 1 million figure?  None.  The 4 million number was
engraved in stone at Auschwitz where it has been seen by millions of
tourists.  What to do?  A workman was ordered to chisel out the 4
million number.  Nothing to it, really.  History in the making.  But
where have those 3 million souls been the last 45 years?  And why is no
one celebrating?

     _The Leuchter Report_ contains the results of the first-ever
forensic examination of the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz.  The
_Report_ is the work of Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter.  It concludes
that no mass gassings ever did or ever could have taken place in the
so-called gas chambers.  The chemical analysis used in the _Report_ was
performed by the Alpha Analytical Laboratories in Ashland MA.  Fred
Leuchter has called for an international commission of scientists and
historians to investigate the so-called gas chambers of Auschwitz.

     Winston Churchill wrote his monumental six-volume history of World
War II without mentioning the "gas chambers" or the "extermination" of
the Jews.  Maybe it slipped his mind.  On the other hand, maybe not.

     Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his memoir _Crusade in Europe_, also
forgot to mention the "gas chambers."  Why wasn't the weapon used to
murder 6 million Jews worthy of a passing reference?  Was our future
president being "insensitive" to Jews?

"The Photographs"

     We've all seen "The Photographs."  Endlessly.  Newsreel photos
taken by U.S. and British photographers at the liberation of the German
camps, and especially the awful scenes at Dachau, Buchenwald and
Bergen-Belsen.  We have seen them so many times over four decades we
don't even have to ask what "they" are.  They're "The Photographs." 
These documents are typically presented in a way where it is either
stated or implied that the scenes resulted from deliberate policies on
the part of the Germans.  The documents are real.  The uses to which
they are put are base.

     There was no German policy at any of those camps to deliberately
kill the internees.  In the last months of the war Soviet armies were
advancing on Germany from the east.  The British and U.S. air arms were
destroying every major city in Germany with saturation bombing. 
Transportation, the food distribution system and medical and sanitation
services all broke down.  That was the purpose of the Allied bombing,
which has been described as the most barbarous form of warfare in
Europe since the Mongol invasions.  It was successful.

     Millions of refugees fleeing the Soviet armies were pouring into
Germany.  The camps still under German control were overwhelmed with
internees from the eastern camps.  By early 1945 the inmate population
was swept by malnutrition and by epidemics of typhus, typhoid,
dysentery and chronic diarrhea.  Even the mortuary systems broke down. 
When the press entered the camps with British and U.S. soldiers, they
found the results of all that.  They took "The Photographs."

     The Allied propaganda machine was laboring furiously to produce
anti-German hate propaganda.  "The Photographs" became their most
successful tools.  Today the same tools are still being used to
"educate" Americans.

     Still, at Buchenwald, Dachau and Bergen-Belsen TENS OF THOUSANDS
of healthy internees were liberated.  They were there in the camps when
"The Photographs" were taken.  There are newsreels of these internees
walking through the camps laughing and talking.  Others show joyful,
well-fed internees throwing their caps in the air and cheering their
liberators.

     You haven't seen those films and photographs, you say?  Why do you
think that is?  Does it suggest to you questions about the camps that
are not politically correct to ask?

The Dachau "Gas Chambers"

     In the first years after the war there was much eyewitness
testimony about "mass gassings" at Dachau.  In his summing up for the
prosecution at Nuremberg, Sir Hartley Shawcross, chief prosecutor for
Great Britain, spoke of murder "conducted like some mass production
industry in the gas chamber(s) of... Dachau...."

     Today no responsible scholar attempts to claim that there were
mass gassings at Dachau.  Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Simon
Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies, states simply: "There were no
gas chambers at Dachau."

The Jewish Soap Story

     This ugly rumor has been repeated endlessly in our media and
universities.  First Amendment scholar Nat Hentoff can write seriously
that he has seen human soap made from the "tissues of murdered Jews"
displayed on stone tablets in the Chamber of the Holocaust in
Jerusalem.

     Israeli historian Yehuda Bauer and Jewish-American historians like
Raul Hilberg and Deborah Lipstadt all state that this anti-German hate
story is untrue.  Lipstadt writes: "The Nazis never used the bodies of
Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap."

"Eyewitness" Testimony

     As documentary "proofs" for the mass-murder of the European Jews
fall by the wayside, Holocaust historians depend increasingly on
"eyewitness" testimonies to support their theories.  Many of these
testimonies are ludicrously unreliable.

     Shmuel Krakowski is archives director for Yad Veshem, which is the
international center for Holocaust documentation in Jerusalem. 
Krakowski states that more than 10,000 "eyewitness" testimonies about
German atrocities against Jews have been shown to be false at Yad
Veshem alone!

"Human Skin" Lamp Shades

     Uncounted Hollywood epics and "eyewitness" testimonies accuse
Germans of skinning Jews to make lamp shades from their hides.

     General Lucius D. Clay, Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation
Zone of Germany (1947-49) discovered that the infamous "human skin"
lamp shades found at Buchenwald were actually made of "goat" skin. 
Which of your professors has denounced this cheap anti-German bigotry
for what it is?

The Free Inquiry Issue --

     Students and professors alike should be free to investigate the
Holocaust story in the same way they are free to examine every other
historical event.  This is not a radical point of view.  The premises
for it were worked out three centuries ago during a little something
called the Enlightenment.  The tools used to arrive at historical
understanding are useless without the rights of Free Inquiry and Open
Debate.

     We are told that it is "anti-Jewish" to question orthodox
assertions about German criminality.  Yet we find that it is Jews
themselves like Mayer, Bauer, Hier, Hilberg, Lipstadt and others who
are beginning to challenge the establishment Holocaust story.  The
charges of anti-Semitism are oftentimes, in fact, used merely to
suppress Revisionist scholarship and the free exchange of ideas
necessary to judge its merits.

     Students should be encouraged to question who benefits from
promoting false Holocaust stories on the one hand and using charges of
"anti-Semitism" to suppress free inquiry into those stories on the
other.

     It is difficult to understand why the concept of Free Inquiry
should be so alarming to those who manage our universities.  Free
Inquiry makes no promise to Revisionism that it does not make to every
other school of thought.  The promise of Free Inquiry is that it will
demonstrate what is true and false in Revisionist scholarship at the
same time that it does so for the orthodox Holocaust literature.

     Free Inquiry does not follow a political or ideological line or it
isn't free.  Free Inquiry is an equal-opportunity ideal.  Christian,
Jew and Moslem, Black and White, professor and student and layman --
it's there for everyone.  Free Inquiry holds out its arms to each one
of us, urging us to embrace it, use it, exhaust it in our passion for
understanding.

     Understanding, however, unlike Free Inquiry, promises NOTHING. 
That's why there are professors willing to denounce a scholar while
refusing to exchange ideas with him.  They would rather see certain
books suppressed than have to face the awful possibility of coming to
understand something that they have committed their lives and their
careers to not understanding.

The Moral Issue --

     When we suppress open debate on the Holocaust we promote bad
history and undermine the traditionally humane values of the
university.  Bad history replaces historical understanding with
self-righteous nationalism both here and abroad.  It encourages us to
scape-goat old enemies and to seek vengeance rather than
reconciliation.  (It isn't easy, is it, to "reconcile" ourselves with a
people that skins Jews and cooks them?)

     The suppression of Free Inquiry into the Holocaust story corrupts
public discourse, institutionalizes double standards of justice,
legitimizes charges of guilt-by-association and a moral cowardice in
facing our own limitations as individuals and as people.

     Our refusal to allow critical examination of even the most bizarre
accusations made against Germans encourages men and women to bear false
witness, betray their chosen professions, and contributes to the
vulgarization of Jewish suffering.

     Enough is enough!

                                - Bradley R. Smith
______________________________________________________________________

     This article [was] sponsored by the Committee for Open Debate on
the Holocaust (CODOH).  If you would like to access revisionist
scholarship on the Holocaust, or arrange a speaker to appear on your
campus, call (209) 733-2653, or write CODOH   PO Box 3267   Visalia, CA
93278.  (Member:  National Association Against Censorship; National
Association for College Activities; Free Press Association.)
______________________________________________________________________


                                Ralph Winston

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Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? The Case for Open Debate
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Author: gross
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:26
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In article <gate.5BuyiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
>
>From _The Daily Northwestern_
>(Northwestern University's newspaper),
>Thursday, April 4, 1991:
>
>
>              THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?
			
				     None of it is false.


Ralph here presents a paid article in a newspaper, provided by a
front for the IHR, as a newspaper article in the newspaper of 
a major univeristy.  Bradley Smith claims gets the ads in by appealing
to considerations of freedom of speech, and then Ralph Winston
quotes it as if its a newspaper story.

What Ralph Winston omits here is the one page rebuttal by the
editorial staff of the Norwestern Newspaper, saying how the piece
is a collection of anti-Semitic lies.

He also omits the rebuttals and condemnation of the other newspaper
at college campuses that either printed the add or refuses it.

But this is how the IHR bunch treats historical sources in general;
quoting out of context, etc.

This comes from a group that is a front for hate groups that distribute
white-supremicist and anti-Semitic propaganda.  

A couple of days ago, Ralph posted something from the NAAWP, a white
supremicist organization connected to the KKK.

All of the stuff from Ralph Winston and the rest of his friends at
B-CPU should be read as propaganda from hate groups.

None of it has any validity as history, as the American Historical 
Association, The Duke Univeristy Department of History, and other
organizations have publically stated.

>                                Ralph Winston

>Users of Banished CPU are solely responsible for their actions.

They put this line in so the IHR doesn't get sued again.  The IHR has
been sued for a variety of torts, and have lost.  They continue to 
behave in the same manner that got them sued in the first place.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? The Case for Open Debate
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Author: Sean Philip Engelson
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:28
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In article <gate.5BuyiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
|> 
|> From _The Daily Northwestern_
|> (Northwestern University's newspaper),
|> Thursday, April 4, 1991:

That is, a *paid advertisement*, printed in the _Northwestern_ to affirm free
speech, and which was refuted by editorials in that paper.

			...

|>      This article [was] sponsored by the Committee for Open Debate on
	     ^^^^^^^                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	     ADVERTISEMENT                                LYING ABOUT

|> the Holocaust (CODOH).  If you would like to access revisionist
|> scholarship on the Holocaust, or arrange a speaker to appear on your
                                            ^^^^^^^^^
                                            AN ANTISEMITE

|> campus, call (209) 733-2653, or write CODOH   PO Box 3267   Visalia, CA
|> 93278.  (Member:  National Association Against Censorship; National
|> Association for College Activities; Free Press Association.)

Remember folks, this Committee, as well as the IHR, is run by a single lonely
old man with no academic credentials, from his apartment.  There is no
"Institute" or "scholarship" or "Committee".

This public service announcement posted by...
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Re: THE HOLOCAUST REVISIONISTS: HOW MANY ARE STUPID?
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Author: Chip Salzenberg
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:55
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According to ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston):
>From _The Daily Northwestern_
>(Northwestern University's newspaper),
>Thursday, April 4, 1991:

It was a PAID ADVERTISEMENT, not editorial content.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
Either Ralph Winston wants to mislead us or I found the wrong book
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Author: Doug Urner
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:27
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ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:

>     Winston Churchill wrote his monumental six-volume history of World
>War II without mentioning the "gas chambers" or the "extermination" of
>the Jews.  Maybe it slipped his mind.  On the other hand, maybe not.

Maybe not indeed.  May I quote?

  Prime Minister to Foreign Secretary                 11 July 44

    There is no doubt that this [persecution of Jews in Hungary and
  their expulsion from enemy territory] is probably the greatest and
  most horrible crime ever committed in the whole history of the
  world, and it has been done by scientific machinery by nominally
  civilized men in the name of a great State and one of the leading
  races of Europe.  It is quite clear that all concerned in this crime
  who may fall into our hands, including the people who only obeyed
  orders by carrying out the butcheries, should be put to death after
  their association with the murders has been proved.

    I cannot therefore feel that this is the kind of ordinary case
  which is put through the Protecting Power, as, for instance, the
  lack of feeding or sanitary conditions in some particular prisoners'
  camp.  There should therefore, in my opinion, be no negotiations of
  any kind on this subject.  Declarations should be made in public, so
  that everyone connected with it will be hunted down and put to
  death.

  [Winston S. Churchill, The Second World War: Triumph and Tragedy,
   Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston, 1953, page 693]

And in what appears to be the third volume "The Unrelenting Struggle:
War Speeches by the Right Hon. Winston S. Churchill, C.H., M.P.:"

    A Tribute to the Jews.  A message to the "Jewish Chronicle" on it
  centenary, November 14 1941.

    On the occasion of the centenary of the "Jewish Chronicle," a
  landmark in the history of British Jewery, I send a message of good
  cheer to Jewish people in this and other lands.  None has suffered
  more cruelly than the Jew the unspeakable evils wrought on the
  bodies and spirits of men by Hitler and his vile regime.  The Jew
  bore the brunt of the Nazis' first onslaught upon the citadels of
  freedom and human dignity.  He has borne and continued to bear a
  burden that might have seemed to be beyond endurance.  He has not
  allowed it to break his spirit; he has never lost the will to
  resist.  Assuredly in the day of victory the Jew's sufferings and
  his part in the struggle will not be forgotten.  Once again, at the
  appointed time, he will see vindicated those principles of
  righteousness which it was the glory of his fathers to proclaim to
  the world.  Once again it will be shown that, though the mills of
  God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small.  [pages 310-311]
    
Indeed.
-- 
Doug Urner, dlu@wobble   "They tear down our comrades like leaves from a tree,
dlu UNIX Consulting       leaves from a tree, leaves from a tree, but the
Bellingham, WA            tree still stands, its roots locked to the land."
206/676-5759                              -- Song of the Exile,  Barry Guilder
Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? The Case for Open Debate
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Author: Doug Urner
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In article <gate.5BuyiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:

>     Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his memoir _Crusade in Europe_, also
>forgot to mention the "gas chambers."  Why wasn't the weapon used to
>murder 6 million Jews worthy of a passing reference?  Was our future
>president being "insensitive" to Jews?

This is what Eisenhower said on pages 408-9 of "Crusade in Europe"

    "The same day [April 12, 1945] I saw my first horror camp.  It was
  near the town of Gotha.  I have never felt able to describe my
  emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable
  evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of
  decency.  Up to that time I had known about it only generally or
  through secondary sources.  I am certain, however that I have never
  at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock.

    "I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my
  duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about
  these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or
  assumption that `the stories of Nazi brutality were just
  propaganda.'  Some members of the visiting party were unable to
  through the ordeal.  I not only did so but as soon as I returned to
  Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both
  Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly
  to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative
  groups from the national legislatures.  I felt that the evidence
  should be immediately placed before the American and British publics
  in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt."

And on page 439

    "Of all these [Displaced Persons] the Jews were in the most
  deplorable condition.  For years they had been beaten, starved, and
  tortured."

And in "Ike the Soldier: As they knew him" (G.P. Putnam and Sons, New
York, 1987) Merle Miller quotes Eisenhower speaking on April 25th 1945
to the members of Congress and Journalists who had been shown
Buchenwald the day before

    "You saw only one camp yesterday.  There are many others.  Your
  responsibilities, I believe, extend into a great field, and
  informing the people at home of things like these atrocities is one
  of them...  Nothing is covered up.  We have nothing to conceal.  The
  barbarous treatment these people received in the German
  concentration camps is almost unbelievable.  I want you to see for
  yourself and be spokesmen for the United States."  [pages 774-5]
-- 
Doug Urner, dlu@wobble   "They tear down our comrades like leaves from a tree,
dlu UNIX Consulting       leaves from a tree, leaves from a tree, but the
Bellingham, WA            tree still stands, its roots locked to the land."
206/676-5759                              -- Song of the Exile,  Barry Guilder
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