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5 total messages Started by Jack Schmidling Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:49
ARF on Clinton/Gore
#755
Author: Jack Schmidling
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:49
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        ARF ON CLINTON/GORE, THE ISRAEL CONNECTION
 
 As a lifetime naturalist and environmental activist, the 
 idea of having a real environmentalist in the White House 
 brings tears to my eyes.
 
 However, the more I learn about the candidates and the gang 
 they will bring with them, the more I wonder just what 
 really drives the program.  When one of this weekend's news 
 shows named Steven Solarz as on the short list for Secretary 
 of State, I stopped wondering.  It has become crystal clear 
 that, whatever Clinton may believe or want, it is the 
 Friends of Israel who are controlling this campaign and the 
 only goal is to re-instate Israel's "special relationship" 
 with the US.
 
 When George Bush faced off with AIPAC (and won) over $10 
 billion in aid to Israel, these people were outraged and 
 vowed bitter vengence.  A simple analysis of all the bad 
 news that has come out about Bush, will point to this news 
 conference on Sept 12, 1991 as time zero.
 
 The most recent canard the media is dragging out is the 
 desertion of Bush by the so-called Neo-conservatives.  All 
 these people, Richard Pearl, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Henry 
 Kissinger, etc., are turning to Clinton in droves.  Why this 
 should surprise anyone is just another example of how 
 Israel-driven, US politics and policies really are.  
 
 The only issue that separates Neo-Cons from old line 
 Conservatives is their blind and dogmatic devotion to 
 Israel.  Reagan bought their program and was the best friend 
 Israel ever had.  Bush feels otherwise and they are gone.  
 Gone to whomever and whatever will keep the money flowing to 
 Israel.
 
 Lest there be any doubt where Clinton stands, in a June 30 
 statement, he said:  "If I ever let Israel down, God would 
 never forgive me."
 
 I suspect that means he would sacrafice the environment 
 rather than let Israel down too.
 
 According to the Washington Jewish Week, "In eight years as 
 a member of the House and seven years in the Senate, Gore 
 has compiled one of the strongest pro-Israel records on the 
 Hill.  He has a 100 percent record on foreign aid.  As a 
 member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, he has been a 
 champion of US-Israel strategic cooperation."
 
 Clinton's all-out support of Israel and his selection of 
 Gore is not a matter of chance.  Hardly a day passes without 
 the name of another leading pro-Israel activist surfacing 
 from Clinton's campaign inner circle.  Top adviser David 
 Ifshin is general counsel to the American Israel Public 
 Affaris committee (AIPAC), Israel's Washington lobby.
 
 Mickey Kantor, who took over Ifshin's campaign chairman 
 duties as the Clinton staff grew, has been active in Los 
 Angeles fund-raising for Israeli causes and pro-Israel 
 candidates.
 
 The Washington Post revealed that Clinton's finance 
 chairman, whose father is an Israeli, had been involved in 
 an AIPAC coordinated campaign to bring in outside funds and 
 student volunteers to defeat Congressman Paul Findley.  
 
 Another report revealed that Clinton's media adviser was 
 born in Israel.
 
 Sarah Ehrman, national Jewish coordinator of the Clinton 
 campaign, is a family friend in whose Washington apartment 
 Hillary Clinton stayed while working as an attorney during 
 the Watergate hearings.  Ehrman, who drove Hillary to the 
 Clintons' wedding in Fayeteville in 1974, also has been an 
 employee in AIPAC's Washington headquarters for the past 12 
 years.  She left AIPAC last month to join the Clinton staff.
 
 I started out saying that Solarz was mentioned as a possible 
 Secretary of State.  The real question is, what state?  Here 
 is some background from Paul Findley's book, THEY DARE TO 
 SPEAK OUT....
 
 In his newsletter, Congressman Solarz said that he sought 
 membership on the Foreign Affairs Committee "because I 
 wanted to be in a position to be helpful to Israel.  As a 
 result, Israel will soon be receiving a grand total of $660 
 million MORE in military and economic aid than it received 
 from the U S government last year."
 
 Solarz's zeal was unabated in 1984 when, as a member of the 
 House - Senate conference on Export Administration Act 
 amendemnts, he demanded in a public meeting to know the 
 legislation's implications for Israel.  He asked, "is there 
 anything that the Israelis want from us or could conceivably 
 want from us that they weren't able to get?... Have you 
 spoken to the Israeli embassy?...  You are giving me an 
 absolute assurance that they have no reservation at all 
 about this?"  Finally convinced that Israel was content with 
 the legislation, Solarz said:  "If they have no problem with 
 it, then there is no reason for us to."
 
 Not only is the Clinton/Gore choice for Secstate an obvious 
 traitor to his country but he is a blatent crook.  He was 
 near the top of the list of House check kiters, both in 
 number of checks and total dollars.  Do we hear anything 
 about his NY seat being in jeaporady?  Of course not, it is 
 confortably in the control of AIPAC and the Friends of 
 Israel, as is the entire state of NY.
 
 Is it also a coincidence that NY has also furnished us with 
 the Clinton/Gore/Israel ticket's first candidate for the 
 Supreme Court?   Is not Mario Cuomo the best friend Israel 
 ever had?
 
 Sorry, fellow environmentalists, I will not entrust the 
 environment or my country to an Administration controlled by 
 Israel or any other country for that matter.
                        ..........
 
 Most of the above was extracted from various articles in the 
 Washington Report on the Mideast.
 
                         ...............
 
 If you are tired of "learning" about American foreign policy 
 from what is effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly 
 recommend checking out the Washington Report.  A free sample 
 copy is available by calling the American Education Trust 
 at:
                      (800) 368 5788
 
                  Tell 'em arf sent you.
 
     You can also tune in to the Amateur Radio Forum (ARF)
     Sunday evening at 9:PM Chicago time, 3950 KHZ, LSB.
             ....................................
 
Re: ARF on Clinton/Gore
#756
Author: Danny Keren
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:34
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<BuD7r2.Kn4@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
# 
#        ARF ON CLINTON/GORE, THE ISRAEL CONNECTION
# 
# As a lifetime naturalist and environmental activist, the 
# idea of having a real environmentalist in the White House 
# brings tears to my eyes.

And to hear old Barfie describe himself as a "lifetime naturalist
and environmental activist" brings tears to MY eyes. For you, to
post in talk.environment is an abuse of the net.

# However, the more I learn about the candidates and the gang 
# they will bring with them, the more I wonder just what 
# really drives the program.  When one of this weekend's news 
# shows named Steven Solarz as on the short list for Secretary 
# of State, I stopped wondering.  It has become crystal clear 
# that, whatever Clinton may believe or want, it is the 
# Friends of Israel who are controlling this campaign and the 
# only goal is to re-instate Israel's "special relationship" 
# with the US.

And the more I read you, the more obvious it becomes that you are a 
complete lunatic, driven to invent insane conspiracy theories
partly because of the fact that you hate Jews (quotes below),
partly due to lack of brain cells, and partly because you don't
have anything better to do with your life.


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Arf calls Jews "Hymies" and thinks it is a joke (he also calls Arabs
"Ragheads" mocking the traditional Kafia some of them wear):
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Message-ID: <1991Nov6.033312.18871@ddsw1.MCS.COM>
arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:


               PEACE CONFERENCE THEME SONG

     Oh, the Hymies and the Ragheads should be friends.
     Territory folk should stick together,
     Territory folk should all be friends,
     The Ragheads dance with the Hymies daughters,
     The Hymies dance with the Ragheads gals.



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In a step reminiscent of the Nazis, Arf calls for boycotting Kosher food:
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Message-ID: <1992Jun1.175427.15281@ddsw1.mcs.com>

 ARF says:

 Boycotting Kosher food can bring attention to the fact that
 all Americans are not blinded by the propaganda from Israel
 and its "friends" in America.  Boycotts are to make a point,
 nothing else.


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To remove any doubts, Arf hails (heils?) B-CPU's notorious Nazi, "Ralph
Winston":
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Message-ID: <1992May20.130900.3749@ddsw1.mcs.com>

 ARF says:

 Considering that Ralph is only 18 years old, one can only hope that by the
 time I pass on he will have gained the wisdom of years and fill in the void
 created by my demise. Give him a break, he is still in training and hasn't
 learned to be subtle yet.


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And here is Arf choking on his shoe...
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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Message-ID: <1992Jun10.034120.29314@ddsw1.mcs.com>

ARF says:

 Why do you keep insisting that Jew control the media?  You
 some kind of antisemite?


From: arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Message-ID: <1992Feb13.183308.10362@ddsw1.MCS.COM>

                  AMERICAN JEWISH MONEY
              AND THE ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE

 I thought the following would be a good segue into an article about Jewish
 control of the media....

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It is not surprising to see he is not crazy about Martin Luther King...
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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Message-ID: <1992Jun13.162654.4701@ddsw1.mcs.com>

>Dr. M.L.King 'when you critisize Zionism you are talking
>Jews...'

 ARF says:

 What is the point of quoting that biggot?  Don't you have a
 mind of your own?

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...Or homosexuals...
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From: arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)
Message-ID: <1992Jun4.150420.3404@ddsw1.mcs.com>

I don't have any great sympathy or respect for homos...


From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Message-ID: <1992Jun16.042332.28558@ddsw1.mcs.com>


ARF says:

The problem is that, like your deranged attitude toward sexual partners,
your silly mixed up brain doesn't even know how to insult a normal
male.

Only a fruitcake could be insulted by your silliness.


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And if all this wasn't enough...
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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Message-ID: <1992Jun30.183127.19607@ddsw1.mcs.com>


ARF says:

 This is truly pathetic.  I suggest you find a nice Jewish woman and screw
 your brains out.  It is far too late for any other help.


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In view of the above, some readers might question Arf's description of
himself... (well, one reader suggested to me it doesn't really look
like a lighthouse but like something else, if you know what I mean).
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From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Message-ID: <1992May28.032403.6466@ddsw1.mcs.com>

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Re: ARF on Clinton/Gore
#757
Author: Ron Feigen
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:36
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In article <BuD7r2.Kn4@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> 
>        ARF ON CLINTON/GORE, THE ISRAEL CONNECTION
> 
> As a lifetime naturalist and environmental activist, the 
> idea of having a real environmentalist in the White House 
> brings tears to my eyes.

You posting again brings tears to our eyes, what a waste of band-width!
> 
> However, the more I learn about the candidates and the gang 
> they will bring with them, the more I wonder just what 
> really drives the program.  When one of this weekend's news 
> shows named Steven Solarz as on the short list for Secretary 
> of State, I stopped wondering.  It has become crystal clear 
> that, whatever Clinton may believe or want, it is the 
> Friends of Israel who are controlling this campaign and the 
> only goal is to re-instate Israel's "special relationship" 
> with the US.

Wait ARF, in a past post (you clained to not be a consipracy nut, ha, ha,ha)
you said the Jewish controlled media was going to put Perot in office.  Of
course your evidnece was that NO anti-Perot stories were being published.
Of course you ignored the fact that the media carried anti-perot/pro-perot
stories almost daily.

ARF, everyone knows if you feel a public figure is even slightly pro-Israel
you will come up with a Jew/media/conspiracy.  PLease tell us about your other
political heros, David (KKK) Duke, Pat buchanan, how about your Nazi buddy
Ralf Winston

Please stop wasting our time!

> 
> The most recent canard the media is dragging out is the 
> desertion of Bush by the so-called Neo-conservatives.  All 
> these people, Richard Pearl, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Henry 
> Kissinger, etc., are turning to Clinton in droves.  Why this 
> should surprise anyone is just another example of how 
> Israel-driven, US politics and policies really are.  

Perhaps it has do with the poor job Bush/Regan have done over the past 12 years.
Perhaps it has to do with the OUTRAGIOUS promised Bush is making to try to get
re-elected.

He recently told farmers he is going to ask for an additional 1 bill for EP (?)
grants.  Of course he submits a 3 bill CUT in EP grants to congress a couple
of months ago.

Bush has made 1 trillion dollars in promises and promised to cut taxes and lower
the deficit.  niether you or Bush are believable or credible.

-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
Re: ARF on Clinton/Gore
#759
Author: Free Radical
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:36
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In article <BuD7r2.Kn4@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack
Schmidling) writes: 
[...]
> 
> When George Bush faced off with AIPAC (and won) over $10 
> billion in aid to Israel, 

Jack - are you under the misapprehension that the $10 billion was to
be given to Israel?  As I understand it, the 'aid' was actually a loan
guarantee - sort of like co-signing a loan.  The only way any money
would go from the US to Israel is if they defaulted on the loan -
something I rather doubt would happen.

[...]
> Sarah Ehrman, national Jewish coordinator of the Clinton 
> campaign, 

Does the Clinton campaign really have a coordinator of Jewish affairs?
Or is Ms Ehrman Jewish?  The meaning here is unclear.

	RA

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Re: ARF on Clinton/Gore
#762
Author: Mark Komarinski
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:41
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rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:

>In article <BuD7r2.Kn4@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack
>Schmidling) writes: 
>[...]
>> 
>> When George Bush faced off with AIPAC (and won) over $10 
>> billion in aid to Israel, 

>Jack - are you under the misapprehension that the $10 billion was to
>be given to Israel?  As I understand it, the 'aid' was actually a loan
>guarantee - sort of like co-signing a loan.  The only way any money
>would go from the US to Israel is if they defaulted on the loan -
>something I rather doubt would happen.

A few months ago this thread came up, and many points were made that this
was indeed a loan guarantee, that it would cost the taxpayers nothing, etc.
*BUT* many previous loans given to Israel (and other countries also) were
forgiven by the US.  Meaning that the taxpayers wound up paying for it, 
along with the interest on the loan, etc.  

Then again, I could have been reading the wrong messages...:)


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