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Started by X-A
Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:46
Intifada in France - what the extremes of religious tolerance leads too...
Author: X-A
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:46
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:46
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It seems that the European extremism of "religious tolerance" is - once again - coming back to BITE a European country. However -- the solution is not more welfare for the rioters - but prison - and the reality of the cold steel of prison doors slamming shut... Then, after their prison terms, DEPORT this trash and slime back to Algeria!!! ---- Intifada in France The New York Sun, One SL, LLC November 4, 2005 Friday If President Chirac thought he was going to gain peace with the Muslim community in France by taking an appeasement line in the Iraq war, it certainly looks like he miscalculated. Today the streets of the French capital are looking more like Ramallah and less like the advanced, sophisticated, gay Paree image Monsieur Chirac likes to portray to the world, and the story, which is just starting to grip the world's attention, is full of ironies. One is tempted to suggest that Prime Minister Sharon send a note cautioning Monsieur Chirac about cycles of violence. Back in the 1990s, the French sneered at America for the Los Angeles riots. As the Chicago Sun-Times reported in 1992: "the consensus of French pundits is that something on the scale of the Los Angeles riots could not happen here, mainly because France is a more humane, less racist place with a much stronger commitment to social welfare programs." President Mitterrand, the Washington Post reported in 1992, blamed the riots on the "conservative society" that Presidents Reagan and Bush had created and said France is different because it "is the country where the level of social protection is the highest in the world." How the times have changed. Muslims in Paris's suburbs are out shooting at police and firefighters, burning cars and buildings, and throwing rocks at commuter trains. Even children are out on the streets - it was reported that a 10-year-old was arrested. The trigger for the riots was the electrocution of two teenagers last Thursday, which the rioters say came following a police chase, a charge the police deny. But even if the charge by the rioters is true, that the police are culpable in the deaths of the two youths, the fact that such an incident would spark a riot is a sign of something deeper at work - no doubt France's failure to integrate its immigrant Muslim community. It turns out that France's Muslim community lives in areas rampant with crime, poverty, and unemployment, much the fault of France's prized welfare system. There are those of us who spent part of the 1980s in Europe, supporting the idea, among others from the Reagan era, that immigration was a virtue for a country and that the racial or religious background of the immigrants did not matter. We maintain that view. But immigration into a country with a dirigiste economy is a recipe for trouble, which is why supporters of immigration into France have long warned of the need for liberalization. Part of France's problem is that it has defaulted on those measures. The lack of labor market flexibility and other socialist policies have created unemployment at nearly 10%, most of which falls among immigrants. And part stems from the fact that France's estimated 5 million Muslims, out of a population of 60 million, are led by mostly foreign radical imams. Only belatedly has the French state started taking action, pressing for clerics to be taught in France. All this is compounded by the image France projects of itself to its Muslims, which one can surmise is the reason why Muslims see rioting as the solution to any grievance. It's a barely kept secret that Mr. Chirac led the opposition to the Iraq war out of fear of how his Muslim population would react. This fear is a big part of why France portrays itself as America's counterweight and why it criticizes Israel at every turn and coddled the terrorist Yasser Arafat right up to his death. This doesn't elicit thanks from Muslim radicals in France. It turns out to project an image of weakness. Unsurprisingly when faced with some unhappiness they believe they can pressure the French state into submission. A number of observers of the French scene have looked at population trends and suggested that France is on its way to becoming a Muslim country (one that would, let it be noted, be armed with hydrogen bombs). Some react to this by suggesting a halt to immigration and even expulsion. The better approach is to impose law and order, more speedily to reform the burdensome welfare state, and start integrating the Muslim community. France could also help itself by dispatching troops to help battle the radical Islamists in Iraq, thereby sending a message to Muslims at home and abroad that France is on the side of those Muslims, the majority no doubt, who want to live in peace.
Re: Intifada in France - what the extremes of religious tolerance leads too...
Author: X-A
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:53
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:53
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==> It's a barely kept secret that Mr. Chirac led the opposition to the Iraq war out of fear of how his Muslim population would react. This fear is a big part of why France portrays itself as America's counterweight and why it criticizes Israel at every turn and coddled the terrorist Yasser Arafat right up to his death. This doesn't elicit thanks from Muslim radicals in France. It turns out to project an image of weakness. Unsurprisingly when faced with some unhappiness they believe they can pressure the French state into submission. ===>
Re: Intifada in France - what the extremes of religious tolerance leads too...
Author: kevin hollingsworth
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:05
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:05
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There is a clash of civilisations on the horizon. Slowly it is dawning on the peoples of the enlightenment that they are under attack. They are being struck by a enemy that will use any means to destroy the freedoms on which their security is built. I foresee a new iron curtain being drawn up between the world of Islam and that of the West. If that curtain is not brought about by further terrorist atrocities and wars it will be by the kind of riots we have seen in France and Britain. It is only a matter of time, a generation & no more, and the book burning will begin....history repeats though the actors may change!
Re: Intifada in France - what the extremes of religious tolerance leads too...
Author: Sid See
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:41
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:41
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kevin hollingsworth <kevin.h0llingsworth@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:8xMaf.7380$Ua6.3552@newsfe6-win.ntli.net... > There is a clash of civilisations on the horizon. Slowly it is dawning on > the peoples of the enlightenment that they are under attack. They are being > struck by a enemy that will use any means to destroy the freedoms on which > their security is built. I foresee a new iron curtain being drawn up > between the world of Islam and that of the West. If that curtain is not > brought about by further terrorist atrocities and wars it will be by the > kind of riots we have seen in France and Britain. It is only a matter of > time, a generation & no more, and the book burning will begin....history > repeats though the actors may change! > If there were "peoples of the enlightenment" of any great amount in the world, there would be no such mess. A confrontation between Islam's desire for world domination and Christianities desire for world domination is inevitable. Mankind's ignorance and self-righteous arrogance, will being it to the brink of its own annihilation, as it has not yet learned the lesson of not allowing religion to hold power. ~S
Re: Intifada in France - what the extremes of religious tolerance leads too...
Author: Ian
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:53
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:53
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You misunderstand Islam entirely, and I don't blame you, being narrowminded like you are. Islam is a religion of peace, and the reason they come over here in droves isn't because they religion causes poverty, it's because they want to spread peace. The reason they blow children up isn't because of Islam, those are a minority. True Islamic people never blow any children up. The problem isn't Islam. It's the rest of the world, they refuse to sit down and submit to Allah, and so they shall be made, and in the final judgement they shall burn in hell for all eternity. What you need to do is embrace diversity. Discuss Allah with any muslim down at your local alcohol free pub. Look hence! A child is born. www.thereligionofpeace.com
Re: Intifada in France - what the extremes of religious tolerance leads too...
Author: Mud Hut Mafioso
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:03
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:03
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"kevin hollingsworth" <kevin.h0llingsworth@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:8xMaf.7380$Ua6.3552@newsfe6-win.ntli.net... > There is a clash of civilisations on the horizon. Slowly it is dawning on > the peoples of the enlightenment that they are under attack. They are > being struck by a enemy that will use any means to destroy the freedoms on > which their security is built. I foresee a new iron curtain being drawn > up between the world of Islam and that of the West. If that curtain is > not brought about by further terrorist atrocities and wars it will be by > the kind of riots we have seen in France and Britain. It is only a matter > of time, a generation & no more, and the book burning will > begin....history repeats though the actors may change! > I fear that you are right.
Re: Intifada in France - what the extremes of religious tolerance leads too...
Author: dns564
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 03:37
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 03:37
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5. Ian "the reason they come over here in droves isn't because they religion causes poverty, it's because they want to spread peace. " nobody in this world moves to another country to spread any peace. if people want to change something, they should do that in their country instead of imposing "peace" on others in their country.
Re: Intifada in France - what the extremes of religious tolerance leads too...
Author: Jason Stanidge
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:39
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:39
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"Ian" <drawnai@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1131134011.351767.178410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > You misunderstand Islam entirely, and I don't blame you, being > narrowminded like you are. > > Islam is a religion of peace, and the reason they come over here in > droves isn't because they religion causes poverty, it's because they > want to spread peace. > > The reason they blow children up isn't because of Islam, those are a > minority. True Islamic people never blow any children up. > > The problem isn't Islam. It's the rest of the world, they refuse to sit > down and submit to Allah, and so they shall be made, and in the final > judgement they shall burn in hell for all eternity. > > What you need to do is embrace diversity. Discuss Allah with any muslim > down at your local alcohol free pub. > > Look hence! A child is born. > > www.thereligionofpeace.com This is tongue in cheek, right? The fact that Mohammad raped a 9 year old child destroys his credibility as a messenger. Secondly, look at 65:4 and you will see he gives rules on how a man should divorce a pre-pubescent child!!
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