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Re: Fear and loathing in America

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From: Murray Cooper
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:12
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Elmo wrote:

> Bob Adkins wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:22:25 -0400, Elmo <DoNoSpam@NoSpam.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It might be, but I'd look at the larger number of lost jobs first.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, I bet the influx if emigrants have something  to do with that.
>> Unemployed should not be counted. Total jobs should be counted. Most
>> illegals work off the books, and their jobs do not show.
>>
>> Bob
> 
> 
> Um, Bob?  Did you just change the subject from poverty to unemployment?

Boob does a lot of changing of subject when the prior 
subject is one in which he's taking an ass-kicking. 
IOW, he changes the subject every time.

> 
> If you didn't then:
> Poverty is defined based on income.  Right now it's something like 18K 
> for a family of 4.  If you don't count the unemployed (who as a rule 
> have _really_ low incomes) then the poverty values get really skewed.
> 
> And in case you did then:
> Unemployment counts people getting unemployment benefits.  You don't get 
> umemployment if you are fired for cause, but you do if you are laid off. 
>  When you get laid off, your job is gone.  If you qualify for 
> unemployment, you are by definition below the poverty line.
> 
> But the problem is not simply the number of jobs, but the quality of 
> jobs.  If you were working in a manufacturing job getting say $12 an 
> hour then you and your wife and 2 kids are above the poverty line.  Most 
> of the jobs that are available are not manufacturing jobs and pay rather 
> less, say $8 an hour.  Now you're below the poverty line.
> 
> Of course this is a contrived example.  Most families can't make it on 
> one income anymore.
> 
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