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Article #1318Re: Fear and loathing in America
From: Murray Cooper
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:12
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:12
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Elmo wrote: > Bob Adkins wrote: > >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:22:25 -0400, Elmo <DoNoSpam@NoSpam.org> wrote: >> >> >>> It might be, but I'd look at the larger number of lost jobs first. >> >> >> >> Again, I bet the influx if emigrants have something to do with that. >> Unemployed should not be counted. Total jobs should be counted. Most >> illegals work off the books, and their jobs do not show. >> >> Bob > > > Um, Bob? Did you just change the subject from poverty to unemployment? Boob does a lot of changing of subject when the prior subject is one in which he's taking an ass-kicking. IOW, he changes the subject every time. > > If you didn't then: > Poverty is defined based on income. Right now it's something like 18K > for a family of 4. If you don't count the unemployed (who as a rule > have _really_ low incomes) then the poverty values get really skewed. > > And in case you did then: > Unemployment counts people getting unemployment benefits. You don't get > umemployment if you are fired for cause, but you do if you are laid off. > When you get laid off, your job is gone. If you qualify for > unemployment, you are by definition below the poverty line. > > But the problem is not simply the number of jobs, but the quality of > jobs. If you were working in a manufacturing job getting say $12 an > hour then you and your wife and 2 kids are above the poverty line. Most > of the jobs that are available are not manufacturing jobs and pay rather > less, say $8 an hour. Now you're below the poverty line. > > Of course this is a contrived example. Most families can't make it on > one income anymore. >
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10e1e4,a1b057648a26302f X-Google-Attributes: gid10e1e4,public X-Google-Thread: 10a587,a1b057648a26302f X-Google-Attributes: gid10a587,public X-Google-Thread: 10374a,a1b057648a26302f X-Google-Attributes: gid10374a,public X-Google-Thread: f514b,a1b057648a26302f X-Google-Attributes: gidf514b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-09-27 13:12:01 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Murray Cooper <chuck@up.chuck> Organization: Dreck Nash is a stupid shitbag User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: misc.rural,alt.appalachian,nc.general,atl.general Subject: Re: Fear and loathing in America References: <3f725b30.21787410@news.io.com> <3f742a89.4063873@news.io.com> <vfm8nv0dvhbg4c5loslfm92r0fugiqihn7@4ax.com> <bl2051$15n0$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu> <k3panv81kntdtjt11t7kr2ijqvadi9tcu6@4ax.com> <bl3qsd$11cg$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <bl3qsd$11cg$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Message-ID: <kamdb.6575$NX3.472@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:12:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.167.4.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net 1064693520 68.167.4.213 (Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:12:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:12:00 PDT