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Phxbrd wrote:
> "mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message 
> news:xMqdnW6KIva6i87RnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Phxbrd wrote:
>>> "mrmcafee" <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:F6qdnWEPcs5_f8_RnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>> In article <uIadnZqZBewfRczRnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>  mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <ucydnQi5l5yDoc3RnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>  mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <RJKdnQNnjc9LbdPRnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>  mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <0MCdnV4aebO2A9DRnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>  mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Misdirection again, away from the real criminals who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concentrated in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington D.C. and Wall Street, to the bread crumb sin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variety, trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to feed their families. Immigrants aren't $tealing trillion$ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of dollar$,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks. The people $tealing trillionS of dollar$ are investment 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the military-industrial complex, and their "bought and paid" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politicians in both parties, the Kleptocrats. Ain't nothin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gonna change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without campaign-finance reform, re-installment of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glass-Steagall act,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the sheep get off their asses and demand change. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Billy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but but but the sheepeople love their gubberment.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We do. We much prefer it to the libertarian system employed in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Somalia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>>>>> Somalia has no central government, it is partitioned among 
>>>>>>>>>>> warlord. Whereas here, the central government is unified in its 
>>>>>>>>>>> support for corporations, and those who own stock in them.
>>>>>>>>>> As well as support for unions and for Grandmas. Our government is 
>>>>>>>>>> the reason we can progress as a civilization. If you want to see 
>>>>>>>>>> the results of libertarian
>>>>>>>>> Funny, my dictionary describes a libertarian as : a person who 
>>>>>>>>> advocates civil liberty
>>>>>>>> The way I used the term and the way we have been using it in these 
>>>>>>>> forums is as defined by the Libertarian Party of the USA. Their 
>>>>>>>> defining characteristic is (from their "Statement of Principles)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole 
>>>>>>>> dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in 
>>>>>>>> whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly 
>>>>>>>> interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner 
>>>>>>>> they choose."
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ahk5a2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They believe that each individual is sovereign. Anarchy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't support civil liberty? Hmmm.
>>>>>>>> Of course I do. I'm a Democrat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Odd. I don't remember ever hearing tell of a libertarian 
>>>>>>>>> government.
>>>>>>>> An impossibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bolivia under Evo Morales, maybe.
>>>>>>>> I see you are very confused.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to communicate with you. What does that tell ya?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want an example of a nurturing government, Bolivia is it. No, 
>>>>>>> not nurturing to the rich and powerful, but to the common citizen.
>>>>>>> Viva Evo.
>>>>>> You offered the Bolivian government as an example a of libertarian 
>>>>>> government. You were confused. Perhaps even dazed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> style political philosphy, look to Somalia.
>>>>>>>>> Somalia, of course is an area, like Afghanistan that is ruled by 
>>>>>>>>> competing warlords. There almost an unity of government (Islamic 
>>>>>>>>> Courts Union), but it was one that was unacceptable to western 
>>>>>>>>> powers, and it wasn't allowed to unify the country because of the 
>>>>>>>>> introduction of US supported Kenyan and Ethiopian troops (land 
>>>>>>>>> grabs don'cha' know)
>>>>>>>> Just more libertarian style rule. There is no government to restrain 
>>>>>>>> the powerful and protect the weak.
>>>>>>> Uh, but you said "the defining characteristic Libertarian Party of 
>>>>>>> the USA is (from their "Statement of Principles)". "We hold that all 
>>>>>>> individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own 
>>>>>>> lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so 
>>>>>>> long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others 
>>>>>>> to live in whatever manner they choose."
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ahk5a2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a contradiction in terms to have a libertarian tyranny, duuuuh.
>>>>>> Is it? Weakling "A" thinks that the village water supply belongs to 
>>>>>> everybody in common. Strongman "B" thinks that the well should belong 
>>>>>> to him, and has the power to deny water to everybody else. There is no 
>>>>>> government to judge who is right and to force the outcome of their 
>>>>>> decision. Both are operating under the libertarian concept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is rule of the strongest, anarchy.
>>>>> You said that libertarians "hold that all individuals have the right to 
>>>>> exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live 
>>>>> in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly 
>>>>> interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner 
>>>>> they choose."
>>>> That's what THEY claim, not me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That would include "A", but exclude "B".
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you still drunk?
>>>> If I were you, I be checking the status of my own cooking sherry rather 
>>>> than accusing others of having too much fun. Clearly you are having a 
>>>> hard time comprehending. "B" thinks he owns the water supply. He is 
>>>> acting within his sovereign rights to hoard it. Please pay attention.
>>> What does "forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in 
>>> whatever manner they choose." mean in your world?  Concentrate on the key 
>>> words "equal right".  Do you know what 'equal right' means?  How about 
>>> "forcibly interfere"?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And I guess you really think that everybody agrees what everybody's rights 
>> are at all times, right Seth? FYI, you are wrong.
> 
> WTF do you think courts are for?  Are you pretending that Libertarians would 
> abolish our entire judicial system?


Of course they would if they lives up to their principles. How can one 
"bend a knee" to a courts decision and still maintain "sole dominion" 
over one's self?


> 
> Give it up, Mac.  You lost the stupid and pointless argument because both 
> Billy and I can read for comprehension while you just flounder around 
> looking silly.


You are failing, Seth. You can no longer justify individual sovereignty 
with civilization than that poor Billy can.


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