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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:18:04 -0700, mrmcafee
<"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:

>Billy wrote:
>> In article <RJKdnQNnjc9LbdPRnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>  mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Billy wrote:
>>>> In article <0MCdnV4aebO2A9DRnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>  mrmcafee <"(mrmcafee)nospam"@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> Misdirection again, away from the real criminals who are concentrated in
>>>>>>> Washington D.C. and Wall Street, to the bread crumb sin variety, trying
>>>>>>> to feed their families. Immigrants aren't $tealing trillion$ of dollar$,
>>>>>>> folks. The people $tealing trillionS of dollar$ are investment bankers,
>>>>>>> the military-industrial complex, and their "bought and paid" for
>>>>>>> politicians in both parties, the Kleptocrats. Ain't nothin gonna change
>>>>>>> without campaign-finance reform, re-installment of Glass-Steagall act,
>>>>>>> and the sheep get off their asses and demand change. Otherwise,
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> - Billy
>>>>>> but but but the sheepeople love their gubberment. 
>>>>> We do. We much prefer it to the libertarian system employed in Somalia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> lol
>>>> Somalia has no central government, it is partitioned among warlord. 
>>>> Whereas here, the central government is unified in its support for 
>>>> corporations, and those who own stock in them.
>>>
>>> As well as support for unions and for Grandmas. Our government is the 
>>> reason we can progress as a civilization. If you want to see the results 
>>> of libertarian 
>> Funny, my dictionary describes a libertarian as : a person who advocates 
>> civil liberty
>
>
>The way I used the term and the way we have been using it in these 
>forums is as defined by the Libertarian Party of the USA. Their defining 
>characteristic is (from their "Statement of Principles)
>
>"We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion 
>over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they 
>choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right 
>of others to live in whatever manner they choose."
>http://tinyurl.com/2ahk5a2
>
>They believe that each individual is sovereign. Anarchy.

Read what you just quoted and then go type "McAfee is a bloody moron!"
100 times.
 
>> You don't support civil liberty? Hmmm.
>
>Of course I do. I'm a Democrat.

Admission noted.
 
>> Odd. I don't remember ever 
>> hearing tell of a libertarian government.
>
>An impossibility.
>
>
>> Bolivia under Evo Morales, 
>> maybe.
>
>I see you are very confused.
>
>
>>> style political philosphy, look to Somalia. 
>> Somalia, of course is an area, like Afghanistan that is ruled by 
>> competing warlords. There almost an unity of government (Islamic Courts 
>> Union), but it was one that was unacceptable to western powers, and it 
>> wasn't allowed to unify the country because of the introduction of US 
>> supported Kenyan and Ethiopian troops (land grabs don'cha' know)
>
>
>Just more libertarian style rule. There is no government to restrain the 
>powerful and protect the weak.
>
>
>> 
>>> Take a lesson
>>> from Lebanon during the Eighties. 
>>  Lebanon was twice invaded and occupied by the Israel Defense Forces 
>> (IDF) in 1978 and 1982,[36] with the PLO expelled in the second 
>> invasion. Israel remained in control of Southern Lebanon until 2000, 
>> when there was a general decision, led by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud 
>> Barak, to withdraw because of continuous attacks executed by Hezbollah, 
>> and a belief that the violence would diminish and dissolve without the 
>> Israeli presence in Lebanon.
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon#Civil_war_and_beyond>
>> I'm sure we all remember the Israel bombing apartment house in Beirut. 
>> The war was to install a pro western government, Israeli backed (US 
>> supported) Shia/Maronite coalition, in opposition to the Sunnis.
>> "The Israeli-Maronite alliance was shattered, and Sharon's goal of 
>> installing a pro-Israel Christian government in Beirut was not 
>> accomplished.[83] 850,000 Christians would emigrate during the Civil 
>> War, most of them permanently."
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War>
>
>During the civil war, government broke down to the point that only the 
>powerful had any control over their lives and the weak were at their 
>mercy. The predictable results of a libertarian non-government.

Followed by a century of racism and segregation wholly owned by the
Democratic Party. 
 
>>> Everyplace government breaks down, 
>>> anarchy takes place and freedom is gone except for the strong and the 
>>> ruthless. 
>> So, you're recommending colonial governments then, right?
>
>
>No, I recommend chocolate ice cream.
>
>
>>> There is a reason there are no communist nor libertarian 
>>> societies of any size in the world. They are unnatural.
>>> in Somalia
>> 
>> You really gibber a lot, don't you
>
>
>Rather the other way 'round.