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not the moderator wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> not the moderator wrote:
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> Larry in AZ wrote:
>>>>> Waiving the right to remain silent, Rudy Canoza
>>>>> <pipes@thedismalscience.net> said:
>>>>>> Larry in AZ wrote:
>>>>>>> Waiving the right to remain silent, Rudy Canoza 
>>>>>>> <pipes@thedismalscience.net> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a pretty far cry from the 10 million (minimum) illegal 
>>>>>>>> aliens working in the country today, not to mention another 10 
>>>>>>>> million or so of their non-working illegal alien relatives.  The 
>>>>>>>> bracero program also was just that:  a government sanctioned and 
>>>>>>>> regulated program.  Despite all the hysterical anti-immigrant 
>>>>>>>> sentiment from some, I think the large majority of Americans 
>>>>>>>> would approve of a regulated guest worker program, provided it 
>>>>>>>> didn't lead to some kind of fast  track to
>>>>>>>> permanent residence. 
>>>>>>> You bring up a much neglected point.  Most of the illegals here 
>>>>>>> are NOT
>>>>>>> working.  Even Rick Sanchez in some of his CNN reporting (usually
>>>>>>> biased toward immigrant Hispanics) admits this is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Recently, he was interviewing mostly Mexican day laborers who 
>>>>>>> claimed
>>>>>>> that they were lucky to get a day or two per week.  Most hang out at
>>>>>>> the pick- up points, but go home without any work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet, the tidal wave continues.  The news that there is not enough 
>>>>>>> employment here hasn't filtered down there yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or perhaps it's better to be unemployed on the streets of the USA 
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> to be in the same position in Mexico and farther south... 
>>>>>> Those illegal aliens who work in agriculture tend to stay busy 
>>>>>> throughout the growing season and harvest seasons.  Keep in mind 
>>>>>> that many illegal alien workers in urban areas don't seek work at 
>>>>>> day labor sites, but have regular jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> We know that.  My point was the large numbers who do not, and 
>>>>> cannot find work.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what percentage that is of the total population of 
>>>> illegal alien workers and job seekers, and I doubt you have any 
>>>> better idea of it than I have.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The pro-illegals claim they're all working here and contributing.  
>>>>> That's simply not true.  Not even close...
>>>>
>>>> Most of those long-term illegal aliens who are here to work must by 
>>>> definition be doing at least as well as they could in Mexico or 
>>>> elsewhere, or else they'd return there.  Understand that illegal 
>>>> aliens don't qualify for welfare or subsidized housing, so if 
>>>> they're not working enough at least to buy food and housing, they're 
>>>> probably not staying.
>>>
>>> Their anchor babies do.
>>
>> That's not going to be enough to allow them to live here.
>>
>>
>>>> There are studies out there that look at employment patterns among 
>>>> illegal aliens.  I haven't read them, but I strongly suspect that 
>>>> most would show that able-bodied adult male illegal aliens average 
>>>> more than half time employment.
>>>
>>> Strongly suspect isn't research. Research proves that the illegals 
>>> drain our social welfare systems and bankrupt hospitals,
>>
>> Research shows nothing of the kind regarding the social welfare 
>> system, and while some hospitals have been severely financially 
>> damaged due to having to provide uncompensated emergency care to 
>> illegal aliens, they had lots of other financial difficulties as 
>> well.  No one has ever "proved" that a single hospital has closed as a 
>> result of providing emergency care to illegal aliens, even if 
>> providing that care did play a role.
>>
>>
>>> spread disease and commit crimes.
>>
>> They do neither of these any more than citizens.
>>
>> I'm not defending illegal immigration.  I'm merely your hysterical 
>> misstatements - that's another word for lies - apart.
> 
> Evidently you've missed the resurgence of polio, TB, and now staph 
> infections from the shit skins. 

Most of that comes from legal immigrants from Asia.