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not the moderator wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> Larry in AZ wrote:
>>> Waiving the right to remain silent, Rudy Canoza
>>> <pipes@thedismalscience.net> said:
>>>> Larry in AZ wrote:
>>>>> Waiving the right to remain silent, Rudy Canoza 
>>>>> <pipes@thedismalscience.net> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a pretty far cry from the 10 million (minimum) illegal 
>>>>>> aliens working in the country today, not to mention another 10 
>>>>>> million or so of their non-working illegal alien relatives.  The 
>>>>>> bracero program also was just that:  a government sanctioned and 
>>>>>> regulated program.  Despite all the hysterical anti-immigrant 
>>>>>> sentiment from some, I think the large majority of Americans would 
>>>>>> approve of a regulated guest worker program, provided it didn't 
>>>>>> lead to some kind of fast  track to
>>>>>> permanent residence. 
>>>>> You bring up a much neglected point.  Most of the illegals here are 
>>>>> NOT
>>>>> working.  Even Rick Sanchez in some of his CNN reporting (usually
>>>>> biased toward immigrant Hispanics) admits this is true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently, he was interviewing mostly Mexican day laborers who claimed
>>>>> that they were lucky to get a day or two per week.  Most hang out at
>>>>> the pick- up points, but go home without any work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, the tidal wave continues.  The news that there is not enough 
>>>>> employment here hasn't filtered down there yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or perhaps it's better to be unemployed on the streets of the USA than
>>>>> to be in the same position in Mexico and farther south... 
>>>> Those illegal aliens who work in agriculture tend to stay busy 
>>>> throughout the growing season and harvest seasons.  Keep in mind 
>>>> that many illegal alien workers in urban areas don't seek work at 
>>>> day labor sites, but have regular jobs.
>>>
>>> We know that.  My point was the large numbers who do not, and cannot 
>>> find work.
>>
>> I have no idea what percentage that is of the total population of 
>> illegal alien workers and job seekers, and I doubt you have any better 
>> idea of it than I have.
>>
>>
>>> The pro-illegals claim they're all working here and contributing.  
>>> That's simply not true.  Not even close...
>>
>> Most of those long-term illegal aliens who are here to work must by 
>> definition be doing at least as well as they could in Mexico or 
>> elsewhere, or else they'd return there.  Understand that illegal 
>> aliens don't qualify for welfare or subsidized housing, so if they're 
>> not working enough at least to buy food and housing, they're probably 
>> not staying.
> 
> Their anchor babies do.

That's not going to be enough to allow them to live here.


>> There are studies out there that look at employment patterns among 
>> illegal aliens.  I haven't read them, but I strongly suspect that most 
>> would show that able-bodied adult male illegal aliens average more 
>> than half time employment.
> 
> Strongly suspect isn't research. Research proves that the illegals drain 
> our social welfare systems and bankrupt hospitals,

Research shows nothing of the kind regarding the social 
welfare system, and while some hospitals have been 
severely financially damaged due to having to provide 
uncompensated emergency care to illegal aliens, they 
had lots of other financial difficulties as well.  No 
one has ever "proved" that a single hospital has closed 
as a result of providing emergency care to illegal 
aliens, even if providing that care did play a role.


> spread disease and commit crimes.

They do neither of these any more than citizens.

I'm not defending illegal immigration.  I'm merely your 
hysterical misstatements - that's another word for lies 
- apart.