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Article #1571Re: Rattlesnakes
From: Geoff Miller
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:00
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:00
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decastro@netcom.com (Richard A. De Castro) writes: > The vast majority of injuries related to snakebites in the US are > caused by overeager application of various snakebite remedies, the worst > of these being the discredited "cut and suck" method that is so > popular with the folks who carry those Cutter's Snake Bite Kits. I have > photographs of injuries that have resulted in massive tissue necrosis, and > loss of limb, from those damned kits, as well as some fools idea to put > an icepack on to hold down the swelling. Would you mind elaborating on this? The principle behind the kits certainly seems reasonable enough: to remove the venom in order to limit the damage that it can do. And it also seems reasonable enough that even an incomplete attempt to suck out the venom would be better than leaving it in, and thereby doing nothing to limit the exposure of blood an tissues to something that is rather unambiguously Not Nice. Also, if the Cutter's kits are so counterproductive, why isn't that better known to the public at large? Wouldn't the nation's physicians be ethically obligated to get the word out with as much fanfare as possible? And this being the U.S. of A., wouldn't the Cutter compan be needlessly exposing itself to product liability litigation by marketing a product that was potentially harmful? The idea of putting on an icepack sounds logical enough as well, since it would tend to reduce local blood circulation by constricting blood vessels. Even if that remedy _is_ misguided, I think you're going a bit far by calling those who believe in it "fools." You have to admit, the rationale behind it is reasonable enough. Do you have any statistics on the success of treatment of rattlesnake bites with various types of treatment, including the "cut and suck" treatment, and without any treatment at all? Also, I don't think it would be unreasonable to ask what your medical qualifications and experience are. > I've only seen one patient (out of hundreds) who even needed > antivenin (and he needed a whole bunch of it, something on the > order of 14 vials, more than the total the 5 hospitals in the > area (Ft. Hunter-Liggett, CA) had available. What determines whether or not a patient "needs" antivenin? I'd think that simply having been bitten by a rattlesnake would be sufficient. It would certainly be enough for _me_ to insist on it rather vehemently, if I were in that position. Isn't it the nature of hemotoxin that once the "need" for antivenin becomes apparent, the damage has already been done to a significant, if not fatal, degree? Geoff -- Why be politically correct when you can be right?
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1012ff,714ca0635f01c69b X-Google-Attributes: gid1012ff,public X-Google-Thread: f514b,714ca0635f01c69b X-Google-Attributes: gidf514b,public From: geoffm@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) Subject: Re: Rattlesnakes Date: 1996/09/11 Message-ID: <geoffmDxJrr1.BIp@netcom.com> X-Deja-AN: 179838826 sender: geoffm@netcom3.netcom.com references: <50mrab$ld4@news2.texas.net> <DxAFrI.5zI@cruzio.com> <decastroDxJo83.Dtq@netcom.com> organization: The Arsenal Of Democracy followup-to: misc.rural,ba.mountain-folk newsgroups: misc.rural,ba.mountain-folk