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Article #1835Re: 1973 v 2007 - Obituary of the late Mr. Common Sense
From: Rudy Canoza
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:48
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:48
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Don wrote: > "Melanie Rocky Ford" <spoofeddatnospam@RockyForda.nat> wrote in message > news:Xns98D5C210A1694spoofedatnospamRocki@216.196.97.142... >> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote : >> >>> Why should she pay for McDonalds negligence? >> Bull crap. > > Do your homework before you run your yap. > > Read it and weep.......... It's all there, but it won't make a bit difference to an angry ideologue like Melanie. She is willfully blind to reason. > > There is a lot of hype about the McDonalds' scalding coffee case. No > one is in favor of frivolous cases of outlandish results; however, it is > important to understand some points that were not reported in most of > the stories about the case. McDonalds coffee was not only hot, it was > scalding -- capable of almost instantaneous destruction of skin, flesh > and muscle. Here's the whole story. > > Stella Liebeck of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was in the passenger seat of > her grandson's car when she was severely burned by McDonalds' coffee in > February 1992. Liebeck, 79 at the time, ordered coffee that was served > in a styrofoam cup at the drivethrough window of a local McDonalds. > > After receiving the order, the grandson pulled his car forward and > stopped momentarily so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her > coffee. (Critics of civil justice, who have pounced on this case, often > charge that Liebeck was driving the car or that the vehicle was in > motion when she spilled the coffee; neither is true.) Liebeck placed > the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid from > the cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup spilled > into her lap. > > The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next > to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full > thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, > including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin > areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she > underwent skin grafting. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement > treatments, sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds > refused. > > During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 > claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims > involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This > history documented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of > this hazard. > > McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants > advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to > maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the > safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell > coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is > generally 135 to 140 degrees. > > Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company > actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185 > degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn > hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above, > and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured > into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn > the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns > would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing > the "holding temperature" of its coffee. > > Plaintiffs' expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin > burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full > thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony > showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent > of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus, > if Liebeck's spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would > have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn. > > McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to work or > home, intending to consume it there. However, the companys own research > showed that customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while > driving. > > McDonalds also argued that consumers know coffee is hot and that its > customers want it that way. The company admitted its customers were > unaware that they could suffer thirddegree burns from the coffee and > that a statement on the side of the cup was not a "warning" but a > "reminder" since the location of the writing would not warn customers of > the hazard. > > The jury awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages. This amount > was reduced to $160,000 because the jury found Liebeck 20 percent at > fault in the spill. The jury also awarded Liebeck $2.7 million in > punitive damages, which equals about two days of McDonalds' coffee > sales. > > Post-verdict investigation found that the temperature of coffee at the > local Albuquerque McDonalds had dropped to 158 degrees fahrenheit. > > The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000 -- > or three times compensatory damages -- even though the judge called > McDonalds' conduct reckless, callous and willful. > > No one will ever know the final ending to this case. > > The parties eventually entered into a secret settlement which has never > been revealed to the public, despite the fact that this was a public > case, litigated in public and subjected to extensive media reporting. > Such secret settlements, after public trials, should not be condoned. > > http://tinyurl.com/45ylr > > http://tinyurl.com/y6kohw > >
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