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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:43:27 -0600, hal@nospam.org wrote in
<5j4l74ls0hmjit0c33k5014almuaatop1t@4ax.com>:

>On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:49:01 -0700, "P. Maffia"
><pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>>"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote in message 
>>news:ijhk74t0sncto85jtd325cp2vntit67ktv@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
>>> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true 
>>>>believers.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
>>> prices produced by oversupply.
>>
>>Over or under supply and peak oil are different concepts which have no 
>>necessary relationship to each other.
>>
>>In Colorado's Oil shale alomne there is saufficientoil to take care of our 
>>needs for over 100 years. That alone makes the peak oil argument worthless.
>
>the component you are missing is that the cost of extracting that oil
>is enormous.  Wouldn't expect you rightards to actually be able to
>grasp reality.  Oh, sure, the stuff is there.  Wouldn't expect you to
>be able to actually grasp the concept of getting the shit out of the
>ground.


Shell says it can extract oil from shale for $30/bbl.

As for the peak oil myth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal
Estimated to last another 147 to 285 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas
Estimated to last another 200+ years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_sands
"Oil sands may represent as much as 2/3 of the world's total petroleum
resource."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_crude
Made from coal, gas, tar sands, waste plastics and biomass (including
raw sewage).

I didn't even include crude oil reserves (known or not) or nuclear
fission. But if our governments could see fit to pay our scientists a
little more money in the next couple hundred years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power
Which has the potential to last 150 BILLION years (and remember that
the Earth is only 4 billion years old!!!).

So we're not running out of fuel in the near future, and will NEVER
run out of fuel -IF- we get off our asses and push our governments to
develop nuclear fusion -before- we absolutely need it.