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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:39:38 -0700, Frank Gilliland
<w�renut@NOSPAM�cehouse.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:43:27 -0600, hal@nospam.org wrote in
><5j4l74ls0hmjit0c33k5014almuaatop1t@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:49:01 -0700, "P. Maffia"
>><pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote in message 
>>>news:ijhk74t0sncto85jtd325cp2vntit67ktv@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
>>>> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true 
>>>>>believers.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
>>>> prices produced by oversupply.
>>>
>>>Over or under supply and peak oil are different concepts which have no 
>>>necessary relationship to each other.
>>>
>>>In Colorado's Oil shale alomne there is saufficientoil to take care of our 
>>>needs for over 100 years. That alone makes the peak oil argument worthless.
>>
>>the component you are missing is that the cost of extracting that oil
>>is enormous.  Wouldn't expect you rightards to actually be able to
>>grasp reality.  Oh, sure, the stuff is there.  Wouldn't expect you to
>>be able to actually grasp the concept of getting the shit out of the
>>ground.
>
>
>Shell says it can extract oil from shale for $30/bbl.

Then why is it over $140/bbl. and why do we want to look at other
places where it will cost that much?

>
>As for the peak oil myth:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal
>Estimated to last another 147 to 285 years.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas
>Estimated to last another 200+ years.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_sands
>"Oil sands may represent as much as 2/3 of the world's total petroleum
>resource."
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_crude
>Made from coal, gas, tar sands, waste plastics and biomass (including
>raw sewage).
>
>I didn't even include crude oil reserves (known or not) or nuclear
>fission. But if our governments could see fit to pay our scientists a
>little more money in the next couple hundred years:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power
>Which has the potential to last 150 BILLION years (and remember that
>the Earth is only 4 billion years old!!!).
>
>So we're not running out of fuel in the near future, and will NEVER
>run out of fuel -IF- we get off our asses and push our governments to
>develop nuclear fusion -before- we absolutely need it.
>