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Re: STOP PAYING TAXES!!

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From: Bill Watts
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 00:00
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"Daniel J. Lavigne" <taxfree@planeteer.com> wrote:

>opportunities@cash4u.com (Joseph D. Anderson) in 
>><850331434.31348@dejanews.com> wrote:

>>Do you want to stop paying taxes??  Do you work hard, 
>>and would like to keep a larger portion of your hard 
>>earned money?? I have a solution for you!  Please 
>>E-mail me for free information.

>>Thanks, Joseph D. Anderson

>taxfree@planeteer.com responds:

>Yet another person is trying to make money from 
>the desire of greed�s group to avoid supporting 
>societal needs.

Supporting societal needs? Who decides what "society" needs?
You?

>Rather than acknowledge why the tax system has 
>been corrupted; such as Anderson seek profits 
>from the delivery of options by which the 
>wealthy and successful can further limit the 
>amount they reluctantly contribute towards the 
>development of a rational and worthwhile society.

Well the tax system has been corrupted by those who have empowered
themselves to control the productivity of others. With or without
their consent under the guise of "societal needs." 

How will taking from the wealthy or anyone, be of benifit to soceity.
This is a great message to teach your children -- if you don't have
what you need, take it from someone who does. 

For the amount of taxes that we suffer under, we should live in a
F***ing utopia. All we should be doing is figuring how to pay for our
utopia. This system is so broke, I give it 5 years till it falls apart
altogether. 

Do you think that if everone paid 100% in taxes the society would be
more worthwhile?

Stick around, cause it's comming. It's already garanteed at 82%.

>To all: If you are determined to stop paying taxes, 
>develop a moral argument, a rational and defensible 
>position, to withstand the subsequent challenges 
>from tax collectors, their masters and the like.

Our F***ing tax collectors and their masters have and will ignor any
and all moral, rational and defensible positions. Because they get to
decide at their whim what is and is not rational and defensible. They
always have and always will -- history doth repeat itself. Until WE
the people wake the F*** up and take it back again

I see nothing "moral" in a system that diminishes or  deprives me, the
ability to provide the best for me and my families needs.

I could just stop here and have said all that needs be said to your
"moral arguement" challenge and what would the collectors and their
masters have to say to that?

But I shall continue:

Individual liberty as garunteed in our constitution sets forth the
right for me to live how I wish so long as it does not interfere with
your, or anyone else�s rights to do the same. 

A fundamental right to be secure from governments intrusion into my
personal and finical life. 

A fundamental right to exchange my labor for the complete value agreed
upon and to only pay for those governments services that I consume
above the military and judiciary. 

A fundamental right to never have my property seized or levied upon
without due process. 
 
A fundamental right to provide the best that I can for me and my
families present and future needs, expecting little, if nothing, from
the government in return using, investing and keeping all that I earn
to better ensure that me and my family will never need any "services"
from the government.

To all the above our direct taxes destroy.

Not to mention a government who is burdening our children even as 
we correspond with unconscionable levels of debt, to be paid with 
even worse levels of taxation, in an effort to make itself look good
today. Is that not the cruelest and immoral form of taxation without
representation?

The only moral arguement and decision I need make is how much I can
give to the government after I have providing for my families needs.
Not, how much I can give to my family after providing for the
governments "needs." If the government is desiring of bringing back
"family values;" then I can make no better example of where to start.
Ifg the government values families then why the F*** our they putting
us into debt!

 As soon as we, in our moments of desperation, got hooked into the
lies, that the politicians could solve all our problems and all we had
to do is send them the money they needed, not to mention believing
that taking the money from the rich to make our lives easier, we then
went from the most productive nation to one that stands on the brink
of bankruptcy. 

May we learn this lesson: anything that is big enough to give you
everything that you want or need is also big enough to take everything
you have. 

 Is it not wrong, immoral, if not altogether evil for a government to
destroy the economy of a nation by usurping the productivity of it�s
citizens and to not be held accountable for violation of the INTENT of
the law and its constitution?

The fact that the government takes of an excess of my substance,
which deprives the right for me to provide my family's security 
and the pursuit of happiness; is at best wrong and immoral. 
Furthermore, the fact that ANY of it is wasted is nothing short 
of criminal. And together they should be thought of as no less 
than evil!

Nothing great in this country, if not world, was ever accomplished or
created without the spirit, will and collective inspiration of
individuals to make their stand, regardless of whether or not they had
the law behind them or wether or not the collectors or their masters
aprove.

When the legislators know no limits to the wealth and power 
they can acquire at the expense of the producers, when they sell 
out our sovereignty and our jobs to foreign nations, send our men
into wars that they are not allowed to win, and exempt themselves 
from the laws they make, when courts are told how to rule by 
administrative agencies, when judges can make any ruling they 
wish with impunity and no accountability, in violation of 
constitutional principle; when judges can get away with saying: 
�the constitution shall not be used as a defense!� You can bet 
it�s a matter of time till all hell breaks loose.

Bill Watts

 "If we an prevent the government from wasting the labors of the
 people under the pretense of caring for them, the people will be
 happy."  - Thomas Jefferson


 The Libertarian Party

 http://www.rahul.net/lp/

Statutes levying taxes should be construed, in case of
doubt, against the government and in favor of the citizen.

Miller v. Gearoing, 258 F. 225

Harry Browne for President
http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/
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From: wwatts@nothinbut.net (Bill Watts)
Subject: Re: STOP PAYING TAXES!!
Date: 1996/12/14
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