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jgadams@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph G. Adams) wrote:

>Bill Watts <wwatts@nothinbut.net> wrote:

>>Individual liberty as guaranteed in our constitution sets forth the
>>right for me to live how I wish so long as it does not interfere with
>>your, or anyone else's rights to do the same. 

>This is surely wrong.

Surely I wish it was.

>A number of Constitutional provisions empower Congress to restrict
>your liberty, even if you aren't interfering with anyone else.

>For example, Art. I, s. 8 allows Congress to impose taxes, regulate
>interstate commerce, and raise armies.  All of these powers may 
>infringe on your right to live the way that you wish.

Neither of which require, even in the most extreme circumstances, a
current tax rate of >%60 and most assuredly not a future promised >82%
tax rate to sustain. This , Mr. Adams is not just mere
"restriction(s)" or "interference" with my liberty on some trivial or
petty scale; rather, sir, this is tyranny of the highest magnitude.
The fact that you would attempt to discredit me and refute my position
on this basis and this basis alone without acknowledgment of the other
facts and principles that I present on a moral and factual basis, is
evidence of either: a totally corrupted view, or total ignorance.  I
strongly suspect the former. There was a time in the history of this
nation that just a mere rumor of this magnitude would have created an
instant revolution, whereas today its reported and published as
confirmed documented fact and we respond by re-electing the very
nefarious criminals that promised it. Where is it authorized in the
constitution that the congress shall have the power to place the
people or it's future generations in debt to be paid for by such
hideous levels of taxation? Regardless of level, is this not taxation
without representation? Where do you derive the conclusion from your
cite that the congress shall regulate or control anything other than
that which is in this cite? I realize the need for a limited, limited
as in the context of the very article you cite, government as was the
intent of the founding fathers. Now, dear Mr. Adams, is this the
limited a government defined in this cite? Is that what you say when
you look at your F***ing paycheck? Yeah, I can picture Mr. Adams
looking at his paycheck and saying: �Gee, I�m sure glad I live in this
great country that has a limited government by constitution, just
think of how much worse it would be if  I didn�t... Aint it great!�
Don�t all of rest you reading this say it also? ... I didn�t think so.
I sure as hell don�t. Furthermore, is this what the founding fathers
had envisioned, fought for and died, for their future generations? Is
this what you desire for our future generations? Is it your belief
that those who took up arms against the tyrannies of the King would
suffer themselves to this in it's place? I�ll bet you they'd rather
chant; long live the king, rather than sing the Star Spangled Banner.
And yet we still refer to ourselves as a "free" nation?  Is this is
your heart felt belief that our liberty be restricted to this level
under the guise of promoting, I'll graciously assume that Mr. Adams
knows what is in fact the "general welfare"; the "general welfare"
Mr. Adams? If so, then I hold you and all who likewise believe, in
utter contempt of the principles upon which this once great nation set
itself apart from all nations in the history of man. Furthermore, Mr.
Adams, shall or when the day come(s), those of us who value the
essence and spirit of liberty as much as if not greater than we value
our lives, and, sir, rest assured we are growing in numbers, we will
once again commence to reclaiming our rights with extreme prejudice
against those who would seek to do otherwise. On the other hand, we
could just continue to let this nation collapse, and it is collapsing
my little legal lexicon lemming, on it�s own and say to you and your
kind, at the end of it, in bitter sweet smugness: I told you so.
However, Mr. Adams, if it be your contention that the constitution is
flawed or deficient in securing our aforementioned common rights and
liberties, then this shall be your opportunity to propose such
amendments and statutes that shall further perfect, guaranty and
maximize our common rights liberties in the admittedly needed presence
of a limited government. I sadly suspect and anticipate no forthcoming
reply to this challenge. 

Surprise me. Please. Before I loose all hope and faith for the future
of this country.


Furthermore I submit as proof that the intentions of the founding
father has been perverted in the context of taxation; the writings of
the founding fathers views on taxes as documented in the Federalist
Papers:

The apportionment of taxes on the various descriptions of property is
an act which seems to require the most exact impartiality; yet there
is, perhaps, no legislative act in which greater opportunity and
temptation are given to a predominant party to trample on the rules of
justice. Every shilling with which they overburden the inferior
number, is a shilling saved to their own pockets.

 It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption,
 that they contain in their own nature a security against excess.
 They prescribe their own limit; which cannot be exceeded without
 defeating the end proposed, that is, an extension of the revenue.
 When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty,
 that, ``in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make   
 four.'' If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the
 collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so
 great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds.
 This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of
 the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural
 limitation of the power of imposing them.

Yes how they loved systems of checks and balances. 

But we know better than they. Don't we Mr. Adams. 

My how we have proved them wrong... 

Bill Watts

"If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the
 people under the pretense of caring for them, the people will be
 happy."  - Thomas Jefferson


The Libertarian Party

http://www.rahul.net/lp/


"If we an prevent the government from wasting the labors of the
people under the pretense of caring for them, the people will be
happy."  - Thomas Jefferson


The Libertarian Party

http://www.rahul.net/lp/