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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:20:25 -0700 (PDT), taxfree@taxrefusal.com
wrote:

>As found at:
>
>http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/07/06/article/peak_oil_crisis_alters_lifestyles
>
>READY FOR PEAK OIL?
>
>Preparing for a decline in oil supplies requires long-term emotional,
>financial and physical adjustments. Here are five ways to get started:
>
>Pay off debts and increase savings.
>Higher oil prices will trigger layoffs and downsizing in many
>industries.
>Cut back on driving when possible. Carpool, telecommute, bicycle and
>walk.
>Eat local foods.
>Products transported from hundreds of miles away may become scarce and
>expensive.
>Slow Food Piedmont Triad has a local food guide at www.slowfoodpiedmont.org.
>Increase your home�s energy efficiency.
>Build community with your friends. Share your ideas, resources and
>manpower.

this is all very good advice.


Hal

>
>Kathy McMahon, a clinical psychologist, offers tips for the �peak oil
>aware� at www.peakoilblues.com
>
>Compiled by Morgan Josey Glover and Diane Lamb
>***********************************************************
>
>Dang!!
>
>Some ten years ago I wrote about and accurately predicted that the
>above would soon happen. But fools such as the menial / mendacious and
>absolutely useless Paul A. Thomas, "CPA" from Athens, Georgia swore up
>and down that  "�" was a "Doomsayer"and that all should ignore my
>various message.
>
>That poor twit, if able to feed itself as "Peak Oil" denies the rest
>of America the "Lo-Cost Fertilizers" without which millions will live
>lives of quiet desperation, shall then have to answer to those who he
>deceived into believing that "Sustainable Growth" was possible.
>
>That poor and useless toady omitted to say that America need but be
>willing to use its nuclear and other weapons of mass murder in order
>to secure the oil without which its unsustainable "Lifestyle" is truly
>NOT negotiable.
>
>Ergo:
>
>Due to the lies, obfuscation and other deceptions practiced by that
>sick sort of mendacious bastards, America is UNPREPARED to feed itself
>and will suffer a fate similar to that of the USSR.
>
>INDEED!!
>
>See: "Keeping Fed" at  http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/04/keeping-fed.html
>
>and also see "Chicago families face mounting economic hardship" as
>found at:
>
>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/chic-j09.shtml
>
>Poor l�l paul toady . . . . .
>
>Due to the greed of his constatnly lying and ever grasping sort, the
>majority of Americans will starve to death or die at their neighbors
>hands as "HUNGER" drives millions of "Fellow Americans" to do what
>they believe they must in order to "survive".
>
>Truly: That poor and self-deceived toady should be aware that
>thousands of those rendered destitute due to the lies and deceptions
>of his sad sort shall then find and then maim and murder all whose
>special lies, based on self-interest, caused that still ignorant
>majority to ignore the facts that were there for the having, if they
>cared to look.
>
>Poor l�l toady. You poor fool.
>
>When your neighbors come calling on you and lead you to a local park
>to stuff a stick up your "Fed" loving ass, try to remember that I long
>ago suggested that you start to "Think!".
>
>Of course, you could always blame me for failing to acknowledge that
>your sad and ever so sick sort would never dare to "Think", especially
>if such might cause you to abandon your position as an Fed / IRS bag-
>licker.
>
>However,  poor fool:
>
>I always stated that I recognized your inability to so "Think".
>
>ERGO, poor fool:
>
>You should now do your best to ingratiate yourself to the dummy in the
>WhiteHouse, or offer to do him in for whichever interests might be
>willing to promise you a "Safe Haven" as America's starving millions
>seek to "Get Even!" with all of your sick sort who continuously
>claimed and asserted that no one had a duty to "Think" and to thereby
>develop the intellectual capital permitting them to recognize and act
>on their lawful duty to refuse to aid, abet or otherwise support or
>pay taxes to societies that were (and remain) party to plans and
>preparations that are predicated on a will and capacity to mass murder
>millions.
>
>Dang it L�l paul toad!!
>
>You've "Made my Day!" . . . once again.
>
>To a safer, saner and more caring society (Without any of your sad and
>truly sick sort.).
>
>To Duty.
>
>Daniel J. Lavigne, Founder
>International Humanity House
>************************************
>http://www.taxrefusal.com

Individually, they are good ideas under any circumstances. The idiocy of 
peak oil is not one of them.

<hal@nospam.org> wrote in message 
news:pooe74lfb812nvfdsg28u622ap8nao662g@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:20:25 -0700 (PDT), taxfree@taxrefusal.com
> wrote:
>
>>As found at:
>>
>>http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/07/06/article/peak_oil_crisis_alters_lifestyles
>>
>>READY FOR PEAK OIL?
>>
>>Preparing for a decline in oil supplies requires long-term emotional,
>>financial and physical adjustments. Here are five ways to get started:
>>
>>Pay off debts and increase savings.
>>Higher oil prices will trigger layoffs and downsizing in many
>>industries.
>>Cut back on driving when possible. Carpool, telecommute, bicycle and
>>walk.
>>Eat local foods.
>>Products transported from hundreds of miles away may become scarce and
>>expensive.
>>Slow Food Piedmont Triad has a local food guide at 
>>www.slowfoodpiedmont.org.
>>Increase your home's energy efficiency.
>>Build community with your friends. Share your ideas, resources and
>>manpower.
>
> this is all very good advice.
>
>
> Hal
>
>>
>>Kathy McMahon, a clinical psychologist, offers tips for the "peak oil
>>aware" at www.peakoilblues.com
>>
>>Compiled by Morgan Josey Glover and Diane Lamb
>>***********************************************************
>>
>>Dang!!
>>
>>Some ten years ago I wrote about and accurately predicted that the
>>above would soon happen. But fools such as the menial / mendacious and
>>absolutely useless Paul A. Thomas, "CPA" from Athens, Georgia swore up
>>and down that  "�" was a "Doomsayer"and that all should ignore my
>>various message.
>>
>>That poor twit, if able to feed itself as "Peak Oil" denies the rest
>>of America the "Lo-Cost Fertilizers" without which millions will live
>>lives of quiet desperation, shall then have to answer to those who he
>>deceived into believing that "Sustainable Growth" was possible.
>>
>>That poor and useless toady omitted to say that America need but be
>>willing to use its nuclear and other weapons of mass murder in order
>>to secure the oil without which its unsustainable "Lifestyle" is truly
>>NOT negotiable.
>>
>>Ergo:
>>
>>Due to the lies, obfuscation and other deceptions practiced by that
>>sick sort of mendacious bastards, America is UNPREPARED to feed itself
>>and will suffer a fate similar to that of the USSR.
>>
>>INDEED!!
>>
>>See: "Keeping Fed" at 
>>http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/04/keeping-fed.html
>>
>>and also see "Chicago families face mounting economic hardship" as
>>found at:
>>
>>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/chic-j09.shtml
>>
>>Poor l�l paul toady . . . . .
>>
>>Due to the greed of his constatnly lying and ever grasping sort, the
>>majority of Americans will starve to death or die at their neighbors
>>hands as "HUNGER" drives millions of "Fellow Americans" to do what
>>they believe they must in order to "survive".
>>
>>Truly: That poor and self-deceived toady should be aware that
>>thousands of those rendered destitute due to the lies and deceptions
>>of his sad sort shall then find and then maim and murder all whose
>>special lies, based on self-interest, caused that still ignorant
>>majority to ignore the facts that were there for the having, if they
>>cared to look.
>>
>>Poor l�l toady. You poor fool.
>>
>>When your neighbors come calling on you and lead you to a local park
>>to stuff a stick up your "Fed" loving ass, try to remember that I long
>>ago suggested that you start to "Think!".
>>
>>Of course, you could always blame me for failing to acknowledge that
>>your sad and ever so sick sort would never dare to "Think", especially
>>if such might cause you to abandon your position as an Fed / IRS bag-
>>licker.
>>
>>However,  poor fool:
>>
>>I always stated that I recognized your inability to so "Think".
>>
>>ERGO, poor fool:
>>
>>You should now do your best to ingratiate yourself to the dummy in the
>>WhiteHouse, or offer to do him in for whichever interests might be
>>willing to promise you a "Safe Haven" as America's starving millions
>>seek to "Get Even!" with all of your sick sort who continuously
>>claimed and asserted that no one had a duty to "Think" and to thereby
>>develop the intellectual capital permitting them to recognize and act
>>on their lawful duty to refuse to aid, abet or otherwise support or
>>pay taxes to societies that were (and remain) party to plans and
>>preparations that are predicated on a will and capacity to mass murder
>>millions.
>>
>>Dang it L�l paul toad!!
>>
>>You've "Made my Day!" . . . once again.
>>
>>To a safer, saner and more caring society (Without any of your sad and
>>truly sick sort.).
>>
>>To Duty.
>>
>>Daniel J. Lavigne, Founder
>>International Humanity House
>>************************************
>>http://www.taxrefusal.com
> 

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:50:15 -0700, "P. Maffia"
<pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:

>Individually, they are good ideas under any circumstances. The idiocy of 
>peak oil is not one of them.

how do you figure peak oil is idiocy?  Are you denying the reality of
the situation?  You need any proof?

Hal

>
><hal@nospam.org> wrote in message 
>news:pooe74lfb812nvfdsg28u622ap8nao662g@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:20:25 -0700 (PDT), taxfree@taxrefusal.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>As found at:
>>>
>>>http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/07/06/article/peak_oil_crisis_alters_lifestyles
>>>
>>>READY FOR PEAK OIL?
>>>
>>>Preparing for a decline in oil supplies requires long-term emotional,
>>>financial and physical adjustments. Here are five ways to get started:
>>>
>>>Pay off debts and increase savings.
>>>Higher oil prices will trigger layoffs and downsizing in many
>>>industries.
>>>Cut back on driving when possible. Carpool, telecommute, bicycle and
>>>walk.
>>>Eat local foods.
>>>Products transported from hundreds of miles away may become scarce and
>>>expensive.
>>>Slow Food Piedmont Triad has a local food guide at 
>>>www.slowfoodpiedmont.org.
>>>Increase your home's energy efficiency.
>>>Build community with your friends. Share your ideas, resources and
>>>manpower.
>>
>> this is all very good advice.
>>
>>
>> Hal
>>
>>>
>>>Kathy McMahon, a clinical psychologist, offers tips for the "peak oil
>>>aware" at www.peakoilblues.com
>>>
>>>Compiled by Morgan Josey Glover and Diane Lamb
>>>***********************************************************
>>>
>>>Dang!!
>>>
>>>Some ten years ago I wrote about and accurately predicted that the
>>>above would soon happen. But fools such as the menial / mendacious and
>>>absolutely useless Paul A. Thomas, "CPA" from Athens, Georgia swore up
>>>and down that  "�" was a "Doomsayer"and that all should ignore my
>>>various message.
>>>
>>>That poor twit, if able to feed itself as "Peak Oil" denies the rest
>>>of America the "Lo-Cost Fertilizers" without which millions will live
>>>lives of quiet desperation, shall then have to answer to those who he
>>>deceived into believing that "Sustainable Growth" was possible.
>>>
>>>That poor and useless toady omitted to say that America need but be
>>>willing to use its nuclear and other weapons of mass murder in order
>>>to secure the oil without which its unsustainable "Lifestyle" is truly
>>>NOT negotiable.
>>>
>>>Ergo:
>>>
>>>Due to the lies, obfuscation and other deceptions practiced by that
>>>sick sort of mendacious bastards, America is UNPREPARED to feed itself
>>>and will suffer a fate similar to that of the USSR.
>>>
>>>INDEED!!
>>>
>>>See: "Keeping Fed" at 
>>>http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/04/keeping-fed.html
>>>
>>>and also see "Chicago families face mounting economic hardship" as
>>>found at:
>>>
>>>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/chic-j09.shtml
>>>
>>>Poor l�l paul toady . . . . .
>>>
>>>Due to the greed of his constatnly lying and ever grasping sort, the
>>>majority of Americans will starve to death or die at their neighbors
>>>hands as "HUNGER" drives millions of "Fellow Americans" to do what
>>>they believe they must in order to "survive".
>>>
>>>Truly: That poor and self-deceived toady should be aware that
>>>thousands of those rendered destitute due to the lies and deceptions
>>>of his sad sort shall then find and then maim and murder all whose
>>>special lies, based on self-interest, caused that still ignorant
>>>majority to ignore the facts that were there for the having, if they
>>>cared to look.
>>>
>>>Poor l�l toady. You poor fool.
>>>
>>>When your neighbors come calling on you and lead you to a local park
>>>to stuff a stick up your "Fed" loving ass, try to remember that I long
>>>ago suggested that you start to "Think!".
>>>
>>>Of course, you could always blame me for failing to acknowledge that
>>>your sad and ever so sick sort would never dare to "Think", especially
>>>if such might cause you to abandon your position as an Fed / IRS bag-
>>>licker.
>>>
>>>However,  poor fool:
>>>
>>>I always stated that I recognized your inability to so "Think".
>>>
>>>ERGO, poor fool:
>>>
>>>You should now do your best to ingratiate yourself to the dummy in the
>>>WhiteHouse, or offer to do him in for whichever interests might be
>>>willing to promise you a "Safe Haven" as America's starving millions
>>>seek to "Get Even!" with all of your sick sort who continuously
>>>claimed and asserted that no one had a duty to "Think" and to thereby
>>>develop the intellectual capital permitting them to recognize and act
>>>on their lawful duty to refuse to aid, abet or otherwise support or
>>>pay taxes to societies that were (and remain) party to plans and
>>>preparations that are predicated on a will and capacity to mass murder
>>>millions.
>>>
>>>Dang it L�l paul toad!!
>>>
>>>You've "Made my Day!" . . . once again.
>>>
>>>To a safer, saner and more caring society (Without any of your sad and
>>>truly sick sort.).
>>>
>>>To Duty.
>>>
>>>Daniel J. Lavigne, Founder
>>>International Humanity House
>>>************************************
>>>http://www.taxrefusal.com
>> 

hal@nospam.org wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:50:15 -0700, "P. Maffia"
> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
> 
>> Individually, they are good ideas under any circumstances. The idiocy of 
>> peak oil is not one of them.
> 
> how do you figure peak oil is idiocy?  Are you denying the reality of
> the situation?  You need any proof?
> 
> Hal
> 

Yeah Hal. Give us the proof.


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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:30:34 -0400, strabo <strabo@flashlight.net>
wrote:

>hal@nospam.org wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:50:15 -0700, "P. Maffia"
>> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Individually, they are good ideas under any circumstances. The idiocy of 
>>> peak oil is not one of them.
>> 
>> how do you figure peak oil is idiocy?  Are you denying the reality of
>> the situation?  You need any proof?
>> 
>> Hal
>> 
>
>Yeah Hal. Give us the proof.

google peak oil.  Let me know what your questions are.  Bottom line is
they know how much oil is left in the world.  They know where all the
remaining oil fields are.  All significant ones are developed.  They
can calculate the volume of the earth and they know what percentage of
that is oil.  They know we passed peak productivity and all major oil
fields in the world are in decline.  

those are the facts.  Look it up.

Hal

>
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:17:17 -0600, hal@nospam.org wrote:

>
>google peak oil.  Let me know what your questions are.  Bottom line is
>they know how much oil is left in the world.  They know where all the
>remaining oil fields are.  All significant ones are developed.  They
>can calculate the volume of the earth and they know what percentage of
>that is oil.  They know we passed peak productivity and all major oil
>fields in the world are in decline.  
>
>those are the facts.  Look it up.
>
>Hal


They hardly know where all the oil is.

If they did..we wouldnt be having new finds occuring every week.

Rather than read the doomers whines, how bout reading the industry
periodicals?

Oil and Gas News for example?

As a note, before you wind up and start pissing down your leg that
they are propaganda rags..they are for those inside the industry, not
for the public.

Gunner

Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true believers.

"Gunner" <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote in message 
news:r3ek745fe3o467krnuifnsd3enfp8c5brl@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:17:17 -0600, hal@nospam.org wrote:
>
>>
>>google peak oil.  Let me know what your questions are.  Bottom line is
>>they know how much oil is left in the world.  They know where all the
>>remaining oil fields are.  All significant ones are developed.  They
>>can calculate the volume of the earth and they know what percentage of
>>that is oil.  They know we passed peak productivity and all major oil
>>fields in the world are in decline.
>>
>>those are the facts.  Look it up.
>>
>>Hal
>
>
> They hardly know where all the oil is.
>
> If they did..we wouldnt be having new finds occuring every week.
>
> Rather than read the doomers whines, how bout reading the industry
> periodicals?
>
> Oil and Gas News for example?
>
> As a note, before you wind up and start pissing down your leg that
> they are propaganda rags..they are for those inside the industry, not
> for the public.
>
> Gunner 

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
<pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:

>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true believers.

Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
prices produced by oversupply.

>
>"Gunner" <gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote in message 
>news:r3ek745fe3o467krnuifnsd3enfp8c5brl@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:17:17 -0600, hal@nospam.org wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>google peak oil.  Let me know what your questions are.  Bottom line is
>>>they know how much oil is left in the world.  They know where all the
>>>remaining oil fields are.  All significant ones are developed.  They
>>>can calculate the volume of the earth and they know what percentage of
>>>that is oil.  They know we passed peak productivity and all major oil
>>>fields in the world are in decline.
>>>
>>>those are the facts.  Look it up.
>>>
>>>Hal
>>
>>
>> They hardly know where all the oil is.
>>
>> If they did..we wouldnt be having new finds occuring every week.
>>
>> Rather than read the doomers whines, how bout reading the industry
>> periodicals?
>>
>> Oil and Gas News for example?
>>
>> As a note, before you wind up and start pissing down your leg that
>> they are propaganda rags..they are for those inside the industry, not
>> for the public.
>>
>> Gunner 

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:18:37 -0700, Gunner
<gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:17:17 -0600, hal@nospam.org wrote:
>
>>
>>google peak oil.  Let me know what your questions are.  Bottom line is
>>they know how much oil is left in the world.  They know where all the
>>remaining oil fields are.  All significant ones are developed.  They
>>can calculate the volume of the earth and they know what percentage of
>>that is oil.  They know we passed peak productivity and all major oil
>>fields in the world are in decline.  
>>
>>those are the facts.  Look it up.
>>
>>Hal
>
>
>They hardly know where all the oil is.
>
>If they did..we wouldnt be having new finds occuring every week.
>
>Rather than read the doomers whines, how bout reading the industry
>periodicals?
>
>Oil and Gas News for example?
>
>As a note, before you wind up and start pissing down your leg that
>they are propaganda rags..they are for those inside the industry, not
>for the public.

so why don't you post the numbers Mr. Smartypants?  Post how many
recent finds there are and just how much they will be able to produce.
Don't forget to factor in how many days it will take the world to use
up those new finds.  Simple fact is they KNOW where all the MAJOR oil
fields are.  How do they know this?  Because people who understand
science (unlike you) actually understand the conditions in which oil
was produced.  They know the locations on the planet that meet those
conditions because of NATURAL SCIENCE.  You know, the stuff you
wingers don't want us teaching kids because you don't want people to
be able to think for themselves.  WE ARE  PAST PEAK OIL.  Oil
production is IN FACT in decline worldwide.  Look it up.  Post some
real numbers.  You won't because it doesn't say what you want it to
say.


Hal

>
>Gunner

"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote in message 
news:ijhk74t0sncto85jtd325cp2vntit67ktv@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true 
>>believers.
>
> Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
> prices produced by oversupply.

Over or under supply and peak oil are different concepts which have no 
necessary relationship to each other.

In Colorado's Oil shale alomne there is saufficientoil to take care of our 
needs for over 100 years. That alone makes the peak oil argument worthless.

However, the existance of that oil does not affect either supply or price 
since 1) Our laws prohibit its exploitation. There is enough oil off our 
coasts to also render the peak oil argument the nonsense it is.

Unfortunately, our laws also prohibit its expoitation so that vast 
storehouse of oil isn't affecting our or the world's supply or price

Of course, our laws are not stopping from Mexico drilling and finding oil in 
the Gulf, nor China from finding and expoiting oil close enough to Florida 
to illustrate the stupidity of our restrictive laws.

In short "peak oil" is as moronic as the Club of Rome's predicting the world 
was going to run out of every resource by the 1990's.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:49:01 -0700, "P. Maffia"
<pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:

>"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote in message 
>news:ijhk74t0sncto85jtd325cp2vntit67ktv@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
>> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true 
>>>believers.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
>> prices produced by oversupply.
>
>Over or under supply and peak oil are different concepts which have no 
>necessary relationship to each other.
>
>In Colorado's Oil shale alomne there is saufficientoil to take care of our 
>needs for over 100 years. That alone makes the peak oil argument worthless.

the component you are missing is that the cost of extracting that oil
is enormous.  Wouldn't expect you rightards to actually be able to
grasp reality.  Oh, sure, the stuff is there.  Wouldn't expect you to
be able to actually grasp the concept of getting the shit out of the
ground.

Hal

"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives."       John Stuart Mill



>
>However, the existance of that oil does not affect either supply or price 
>since 1) Our laws prohibit its exploitation. There is enough oil off our 
>coasts to also render the peak oil argument the nonsense it is.
>
>Unfortunately, our laws also prohibit its expoitation so that vast 
>storehouse of oil isn't affecting our or the world's supply or price
>
>Of course, our laws are not stopping from Mexico drilling and finding oil in 
>the Gulf, nor China from finding and expoiting oil close enough to Florida 
>to illustrate the stupidity of our restrictive laws.
>
>In short "peak oil" is as moronic as the Club of Rome's predicting the world 
>was going to run out of every resource by the 1990's.
>

On Jul 13, 7:43 pm, h...@nospam.org wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:49:01 -0700, "P. Maffia"
>
>
>
>
>
> <pmaf...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >"Bob Brock" <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote in message
> >news:ijhk74t0sncto85jtd325cp2vntit67ktv@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
> >> <pmaf...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> >>>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true
> >>>believers.
>
> >> Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
> >> prices produced by oversupply.
>
> >Over or under supply and peak oil are different concepts which have no
> >necessary relationship to each other.
>
> >In Colorado's Oil shale alomne there is saufficientoil to take care of our
> >needs for over 100 years. That alone makes the peak oil argument worthless.
>
> the component you are missing is that the cost of extracting that oil
> is enormous.  Wouldn't expect you rightards to actually be able to
> grasp reality.  Oh, sure, the stuff is there.  Wouldn't expect you to
> be able to actually grasp the concept of getting the shit out of the
> ground.
>
> Hal
>
> "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
> conservatives."       John Stuart Mill
>
>
>
>
>
> >However, the existance of that oil does not affect either supply or price
> >since 1) Our laws prohibit its exploitation. There is enough oil off our
> >coasts to also render the peak oil argument the nonsense it is.
>
> >Unfortunately, our laws also prohibit its expoitation so that vast
> >storehouse of oil isn't affecting our or the world's supply or price
>
> >Of course, our laws are not stopping from Mexico drilling and finding oil in
> >the Gulf, nor China from finding and expoiting oil close enough to Florida
> >to illustrate the stupidity of our restrictive laws.
>
> >In short "peak oil" is as as the Club of Rome's predicting the world
> >was going to run out of every resource by the 1990's.- Hide quoted text -
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Peak oil ... phooey.

We'll get to alternative fuels eventually, and sooner than the
doomsayers would predict.  Indeed ... http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:49:01 -0700, "P. Maffia"
<pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:

>"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote in message 
>news:ijhk74t0sncto85jtd325cp2vntit67ktv@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
>> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true 
>>>believers.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
>> prices produced by oversupply.
>
>Over or under supply and peak oil are different concepts which have no 
>necessary relationship to each other.
>
>In Colorado's Oil shale alomne there is saufficientoil to take care of our 
>needs for over 100 years. That alone makes the peak oil argument worthless.

Yeah, I had someone tell me last year that oil would never go over
$60/bbl. because that was what it cost to extract it.  Have you looked
at oil prices lately?
>
>However, the existance of that oil does not affect either supply or price 
>since 1) Our laws prohibit its exploitation. There is enough oil off our 
>coasts to also render the peak oil argument the nonsense it is.
>
>Unfortunately, our laws also prohibit its expoitation so that vast 
>storehouse of oil isn't affecting our or the world's supply or price

The oil experts disagree with you and say that it would be 15 years
before we saw any impact.

>
>Of course, our laws are not stopping from Mexico drilling and finding oil in 
>the Gulf, nor China from finding and expoiting oil close enough to Florida 
>to illustrate the stupidity of our restrictive laws.

You really don't know that those reports about China drilling in the
gulf were false?

>
>In short "peak oil" is as moronic as the Club of Rome's predicting the world 
>was going to run out of every resource by the 1990's.
>

So, they missed it by a couple of decades.  So did Orwell.

On Jul 14, 5:49 am, "P. Maffia" <pmaf...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> "Bob Brock" <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ijhk74t0sncto85jtd325cp2vntit67ktv@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
> > <pmaf...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> >>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true
> >>believers.
>
> > Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
> > prices produced by oversupply.
>
> Over or under supply and peak oil are different concepts which have no
> necessary relationship to each other.
>
> In Colorado's Oil shale alomne there is saufficientoil to take care of our
> needs for over 100 years. That alone makes the peak oil argument worthless.
>
> However, the existance of that oil does not affect either supply or price
> since 1) Our laws prohibit its exploitation. There is enough oil off our
> coasts to also render the peak oil argument the nonsense it is.
>
> Unfortunately, our laws also prohibit its expoitation so that vast
> storehouse of oil isn't affecting our or the world's supply or price
>
> Of course, our laws are not stopping from Mexico drilling and finding oil in
> the Gulf, nor China from finding and expoiting oil close enough to Florida
> to illustrate the stupidity of our restrictive laws.
>
> In short "peak oil" is as moronic as the Club of Rome's predicting the world
> was going to run out of every resource by the 1990's.

The village idiot, Paul (D'Moron) Maffia, has done it! Again!!

He actually invites commentary pointing out his many deficiencies and
his need to resort to lies and his "beliefs" about "Peak OIl" and such
as the book "The Limits To Growth". (Which was commisioned by the Club
of Rome and written by a group of authors, the lead author being
Donnella Meadows.)

If that poor twit and insecure liar will take time to ever "Read" that
book, it shall find that there are no predictions as he would have his
sad, sick and truly similar sort (Idiots all !) believe.

Indeed:

Idiot, please read the book and refer us to the page number and
chapter wherein we, purportedly, shall be able to find "predictions"
that such as your sick sort (You sick wacko.), state are there for all
to read.

You can't do it, twit. You can't do it because there are NO such
predictions in that book.

Now, twit, tell the world why you failed to develop intellect,
integrity, principles and spine sufficient to act on your lawful duty
to refuse to support a society that would commit mass murder, "If Need
Be!" in order to secure the oil and other natural resources without
which such as your sick sort (Boasting that "America's Lifestyle is
Non-Negotiable!") fall flat on your obese and overfed asses; and
identifies you for what you choose to be: A sick and muddled headed
idiot that believes it has a right to lie in order to support its
useless and insupportable beliefs.

To a safer, saner and more caring world.

To Duty.

Daniel J. Lavigne, Founder
International Humanity House
*********************************
http://www.taxrefusal.com

What an idiot you are! By admitting that the problem to access the oil we 
know exits in vast quantities is cost, you admit that "peak oil" is merely a 
moronic slogan perpetrated by morons like you a Lavigne.

Idiot, cost is always a factor. And as long as society is willing to pay the 
cost, "peak oil" can be put off indefinitely.

But that requires at least a modicum of intelligence to understand. A 
quality sorely lacking in your pea brain.

<hal@nospam.org> wrote in message 
news:5j4l74ls0hmjit0c33k5014almuaatop1t@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:49:01 -0700, "P. Maffia"
> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>>"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote in message
>>news:ijhk74t0sncto85jtd325cp2vntit67ktv@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:37:10 -0700, "P. Maffia"
>>> <pmaffia@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well Gunner, the problem is that facts have no relevance to true
>>>>believers.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm wearing my hard hat so that I don't get hit by those falling
>>> prices produced by oversupply.
>>
>>Over or under supply and peak oil are different concepts which have no
>>necessary relationship to each other.
>>
>>In Colorado's Oil shale alomne there is saufficientoil to take care of our
>>needs for over 100 years. That alone makes the peak oil argument 
>>worthless.
>
> the component you are missing is that the cost of extracting that oil
> is enormous.  Wouldn't expect you rightards to actually be able to
> grasp reality.  Oh, sure, the stuff is there.  Wouldn't expect you to
> be able to actually grasp the concept of getting the shit out of the
> ground.
>
> Hal
>
> "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
> conservatives."       John Stuart Mill
>
>
>
>>
>>However, the existance of that oil does not affect either supply or price
>>since 1) Our laws prohibit its exploitation. There is enough oil off our
>>coasts to also render the peak oil argument the nonsense it is.
>>
>>Unfortunately, our laws also prohibit its expoitation so that vast
>>storehouse of oil isn't affecting our or the world's supply or price
>>
>>Of course, our laws are not stopping from Mexico drilling and finding oil 
>>in
>>the Gulf, nor China from finding and expoiting oil close enough to Florida
>>to illustrate the stupidity of our restrictive laws.
>>
>>In short "peak oil" is as moronic as the Club of Rome's predicting the 
>>world
>>was going to run out of every resource by the 1990's.
>>
> 

"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote in message 
news:9gkl74dt21i4p521c641erj7cfrpm5pkd0@4ax.com...
> The oil experts disagree with you and say that it would be 15 years
> before we saw any impact.

The depths of your inability to think is phenominal

Let me see. The likes of Chuck Shumer were telling us 10 years ago that it 
was a waste of time to develop Anwar and exploit the shale because it would 
take 10 years to have any affect.

But if he and his felow boobs had allowed development to begin, it would be 
coming on-line today. and that would have had an ameliorating affect on 
price NOW!

So you are now arguin, likje they did then, that we sholuld noit bother 
because it will take 15 years for us to obtain any benefit.

Do you even get a glimmer of the stupidity content of your statement?

> So, they missed it by a couple of decades.  So did Orwell.

Orwell's predictions are still fantasy, except to idiots like you.