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"arw" <arwecl@aol.com> wrote in message
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| <arch_stanton@freedom.net> wrote in message
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| >

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| > There are two kinds of people who talk about jewish power in America
| today. The
| > first group is the jews themselves, but only amongst themselves. The
| second is
| > anti-semites like myself.
|
|
| Yep, you're anti-semitic.  You're also a scared little man who NEEDS
enemies
| to feel better about himself.

Alan,  There is a certain irony in you proving Arch's point, and very
succinctly, too!  If Arch is "scared", why are you projecting this
imagined emotion upon him?  Would it not be more truthful for you
to say that YOU are scared (assuming that you know yourself much
better than you know any other soul upon the Earth)?

And from previous postings Arch has contributed, I don't see that
he is out to condemn all Jews, or even a sizeable portion of them.
He has, however, pointed out a number of (pressumably) factual
instances where the Israeli government, Israeli soldiers or Israeli
settlers have perpetrated acts of criminal behavior or gross injustices,
with the overt aid of the United States government or or supportive
American Jews.

I reject the notion that to pick on one, is to pick on all.  (Yes, I'm
aware that this is NATO's unofficial motto, too!)  And I refuse to
let whatever goodwill and friendship this nation has for Israel, be
held for captive by Jewish claims of alliance with and allegience
to the U.S.  My notion of patriotism is based on bearing standards
of truth, justice and basic human rights, before all other concerns,
including that pretty piece of cloth we call our flag.  Anyone who
subverts or circumvents these goals is unamerican, and should
not be considered a worthy ally.


|
| You're not content with REAL enemies

Please!  You're projecting your own imaginings again.


| - the Taliban are certainly enemies.

Agreed.  The certainly don't believe in fundamental american values.


| They've killed Americans - thousands of them.

I'm under the impression that the Taliban, bin Laden and Al Qaeda, are
all separate entities, and that the Taliban itself has not killed Americans.


| And you don't seem to give a
| shit about that, Arch.  You're more content to manufacture enemies.
|
| You're down-right un-American in my book.

He is perfectly, and admirably, American in MY book.
Consider:
- He has not resorted to lies or non-truths, nor has he sought to
    avoid issues (to my knowledge.)  Instead, he has presented
    factual events and articles to sustain his arguements.
- He has not advocated any injustice or criminal activity.  He has
    pointed out instances where criminal indictments were due.
- He has not advocated any suspension or limitation on basic
    human rights.  His noting criminal behavior and injustices could
    be construed as showing that he supports these rights, by
    indentifying instances where they have been violated.



|
| > This one is interesting because it is almost a
| > tautology. A goy cannot speak of jewish power without instantly being
put
| into
| > the latter category by members of the former. The rest of you are
expected
| to
| > keep your mouths shut.  Even Mapanari fears addressing this issue,
despite
| it
| > being one of the more salient facts of American political and cultural
| life in
| > the latter half of the last century.
|
| Here's a better threat to your liberty:  the United Nations.  And it ain't
| Jewish.

Why do you insist on changing the subject?  Is this an admission that
perhaps Arch is correct?  A thought that I suspect you are loath to
entertain.
As for the U.N. itself, that would be a fascinating subject . . . for a
different
thread.  Let's stick with this de facto Jewish conspiracy of silence.


|
|
| > Occasionally though a brazen jew will speak publicly about it (but
always
| in
| > glowing terms). The following is an article about jewish power by Philip
| Weiss
| > writing in "The New York Observer."
| >
| > Jews in Bush's Cabinet? Don't Hold Your Breath
| > http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=3706
|
|
| Yeah, a great article.
|
| Know what, Arch?  I wish to God I could FIND the damn Power Elite and join
| 'em.  Sign me up.  Take me!  Take me!  I'm Jewish, I own a successful
| business, enroll me!
|
| <silence>
|
| Oh.  Guess they either don't want me, or there IS NO FUCKING CONSPIRACY,
YOU
| DOLT!

(Congratulations on owning your own SUCCESSFUL business.  You
now have my deserved envy.)

As is true of the seach for God, Santa Claus or La Chupacabra - absense of
evidence is not evidence of absense.  Though, to be fair, if Arch is
claiming
that there is a conspiricy, then it is up to him, and others who believe the
same,
to present such evidence.  (And I believe he has been doing a commendable
job of presenting substantive facts and well reasoned arguments.  Something
of which you yourself are perfectly capable of doing, Alan!)

|
|
| > "So there's no public acknowledgment of something almost everyone
| understands:
| > Jews are major players in the establishment."
| >
| >
| > Regards,
| > Arch Stanton
|
|
| But to You, YOU translate "major" into THE ONLY.

WHERE does Arch make this translation?  I have not seen it in any of his
posts I've read to date.  You are engaging in a "straw-man" tactic.  You
create an over-simplified image of what you think Arch is saying, for the
express purpose of proving that image wrong.  This still does nothing to
discredit Arch's main arguments.

|
| Pathetic.  Sad.  Creepy.

What is with this name calling?  Are you and Mapi stuck in Flame 101?

|
| Alan
|
| P.S:  I read The Turner Diaries.  Dr. Pierce can't write worth shit.  And
I
| can shoot better than both you and he.  I guarantee it.  But if you keep
| shooting and blowing up Americans, you are gonna find 250,000,000 people
| coming down on you like a ton of bricks.  Americans have a lot of common
| sense.  Wise up.  Get some.

(Curious!  I don't know what this is all about.  Care to explain?)

Cheers,
Larry G.