Re: Supreme Court halts Florida vote count: A black day for American democracy

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From: David Jensen
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 04:37

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:11:41 GMT, in wi.general 
Plutarch <"dancer46(nospam)"@earthlink.net> wrote in
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>"Jeffrey C. Dege" wrote:
>
>> The Democrats would count the ballots, not like the result, change the
>> rules for judging the ballots, not like that result, change the rules
>> again, and count once again.
>
>And even if that were not the truth, Dege will simply make up a
>story demonstrating that there is simply no other interpretation.

Well, it looks as if the media is trying to recount the votes. So far
there is no difference.

>> Eventually they would have found some set of criteria, no matter how
>> absurd, that would have given the results they were trying to manufacture.
>
>Yup. It's called counting the votes. Not guaranteed to produce
>the desired result but well known to produce a true result.

Only if the ballots are set up in such a way that there can be no
ambiguous ballots. That is not the case in Florida. There were ambiguous
ballots and the Florida legislature's first act has to be to improve
their voting procedures. 

>> And you and yours would have trumpetted it as the only legitimate count.
>
>Are you sure we wouldn't have French Horned it? The only
>legitimate count is a count where all the votes that can be
>counted are counted.

Well, I think that the law says all the votes that can be counted
according to the criteria in the statute. 

Good ballot procedures should:

(1) not allow ambiguous votes.
(2) not allow multiple votes for the same seat.
(3) not allow a seat to be forgotten.
(4) leave a highly reliable audit trail.

We cannot fix the past, but we can certainly avoid repeats.

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