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Article #190Meta Discussions, mostly
From: mwm
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1987 06:03
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1987 06:03
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And were we go again.....
From mhorne@tekfdi.UUCP (Mike Horne):
>> >Low-end home computers (those which have 68K's being the _topic_ of
>> >this newsgroup).
>> Note: Anything having to do with the design of a computer system around
>> a 680X0 is relevent to this newsgroup (MMUs, DRAM, etc.).
Ahem. From the list of lists:
INFO-68K@UCBVAX
Mailing list for users of OS's capable of running on small 68000 systems,
primarly CP/M-68K. Related systems (OS/9-68K, etc.) and topics welcome.
Archives are kept on host SIMTEL20 in file:
PS:<ARCHIVES.68K>68K-ARCHIV.TXT
They are available via ANONYMOUS FTP from SIMTEL20 for those with TCP/IP
access to the Internet.
All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions,
etc., should be sent to Info-68K-Request@UCBVAX.
Coordinator: Mike Meyer <mwm%ucbopal@BERKELEY.EDU>
The coordinaters address is out of date. It should be
mwm@violet.berkeley.edu. The old one still works, though. Note the
words "small 68000 systems." Those currently available don't have
MMU's. Remember: never trust a computer you can't throw across the
room!
On the off chance you weren't aware, mod.computers.68k is the USENet
name for info-68K. Your statement is accurate for comp.sys.m68k. In
fact, to prevent people on that group from gripeing about discussion
of small machines was one of the reasons for creating info-68k.
>> Well, then you get a 68000 with 1MB of DRAM, no VM, a 700 dollar 20MB HD,
>> etc. If this suits you, fine. BUT, if you want more ram, VM, more power,
>> etc., it is being developed NOW. You gotta wait. I'm totally happy with
I'd rather have what I've got: 68010, 2.5MB dram (yes, it's on 256Kb
chips. It's going to go to 4.5 in the next month or so. I mean, for
$150, who can resist?), no VM. Since I'm planning on playing with
LISP, VM would be a major performance hit. Going to 8.5Meg (or maybe
more) of real is a _lot_ more attractive than adding an MMU.
>> But you would never get me to go back
>> to something without an MMU. Put it this way: Once you have tasted the
>> soup, you don't want the dry toast.
Uh, sorry, but I make my living hacking on systems with MMUs. And VM.
On those systems, I miss shared memory, shared libraries, streams,
real IPC, lightweight processes (tasks, if you want to be accurate),
dynamically mountable device drivers, etc., etc., etc.
>> I agree. Use what you have. But realized that the next generation of
>> machines will have VM. The next generation is just around the corner.
If "just around the corner" means 1+ years, I agree. At that time,
I'll think about trading in the current box for something better. Note
that better != bigger&faster, thought that's to be hoped for.
<mike
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