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Love-Hounds Digest			    Monday, February 3, 1986, 03:42

Today's Topics:

	    a potbellied plethora of wicinski like ramblings
				Question
			 plan 9 ... rough trade
			    Re: rough trade
				 errata

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Date:     Tue, 21 Jan 86 8:07:49 EST
From: Jim Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  a potbellied plethora of wicinski like ramblings

***SHOW REVIEW***

Saw the Descendants last Friday - I have now coined the phrase fusion
hardcore for their style - though I can't figure out fusion with what??

Their new songs feature some pretty intricate manuveurs heretoforunseen
in the generic world of punkland - I tried to keep time until I realized
they were playing with oddly metered measures, I haven't heard that since
Etherteen (you heard of them, Greg post-76?) did that funky 7/4 song about
yellow floaters.  Oddly enough or not, the offbeat time is perfect for
thrashing and I'd like to see other bands pick up on it ... I'm afraid
however most would say, huh? 7/4/??? 5/4??/ and sometime I wonder if
Etherteen knew what they were doing ... Nevertheless, Dave Brubeck would
probably dig it.

Other bands that played (4 for 6$!!!) were LUDICHRIST (I bought their $4
dollar tape) who played in that NY-R Rad -Reagan Youth intensity and
political leaning - threw out zillions of stickers, frisbees.  Someone
brought their teddy bear and threw it into the thrash pit - and the kids
loved it so much they tore off it's appendages.

Opening up were the anarchaic Flag of Democracy who played about 5 songs
over their agreed upon time borrowing a bassist from Ludichrist since their
regular died or was incarcerated.  They could really be "good" and they know
it - however they preferred to piss off the audience with dinosaur guitar
jams and drum solos ( Descendants had a couple of drum breaks, too but
Stevenson is like god you know so it was okay). Metalish when they aren't
a joke band.

Second band was the Lil Gents - a bit on the Mod/Who side
for me (even dressed like mods!) feature yet another Big Young Fat Dude
on vocals.

The Descendants got one of the most loudmouthed assholes doing their
merchandizing, bouncing, strongarming ... every girl he saw he asked
if she would want to give him, uh, oral, you know, sex --- I guess
sooner or later that strategy is bound to pay off.  I though Milo
was a roadie until he started singing and the other guy with the
skinhead was in the band.

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Came back on Saturday Night to rewind my VCR (fuck you I won it as a doorprize)
and catch the first (I think), Hardcore (sort of) band on national television ..
I'm talking 'bout that fab performance by the Replacements on Saturday Night
Live.  They sure showed everyone that DIY is alive and well.  The second
song, On the Bus, proved it wasn't as wimpy as the vinyl indicated - YAH, RAH,
Long Live the 'Mats!!!!

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As I sat there in amazement and a general Saturday night stupor a Dick Clark
produced show came on to wash away the raw puke left by the Mats with an
anti-septic display of music YOU WANNA HEAR (or so Dick sez) ... the next time
I see my buddy Dick I'm gonna fuck him up the ass with a razor blade.

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Well, my recording career is starting as I've been informed an inheiretance
(oh you cruel, heartless bastard!) will leave me with enough money to
invest (!!HAH - we're talking serious here) in a Tascam Porta One Four track
and microphones - stay tuned.  My bands are called Mental Picknick, Smart
People in Car Crashes and The Appropriate Soda (and if any of you fucks steal
my names I'm gonna sue, I SWAR, Billy Bob)

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Maximum Rock and Roll is a commie/leftist propaganda rag - you can tell this
when you send them a dollar (and no money for postage) and they still send
you their disgusting slimey publication - they are obviously underwritten
by the USSR.  
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SONIC YOUTH will change my life once I take out the earplugs
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Wankers make good lovers

							hofmann

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 86 11:24:14 EST
From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Question



	Anyone into Plan 9 or Magazine? What do these groups sound like? I
was warned Plan 9 does heavy '60s garage psychedelia, but after Chrome,
Sonic Youth and Residents I can take a lot weirdness :-).

	By the way, thanks to Allyn for the suggestion to check out
Rough Trade in San Francisco. Great place, anyone into alternative music
should check it out if they're in the area. Unfortunately, I only had
about 20 minutes to spend there and didn't get to look thru everything
and talk to people.

					Bill Hsu

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Date:     Tue, 21 Jan 86 15:32:55 EST
From: Jim Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  plan 9 ... rough trade

Plan 9 is killer - they have their own record company and I'd send you
the address BUT I sent them money for the new SamHain lp and still no
see-um vinyl ... I'm sending them a letter pretty soon and if that don't
work I'm gonna rant in Flipside or sumthin - however ... the lp could have
been delayed - knowing Danzig's ego and such everything has to be perfect.

Oh - PLAN 9 has been around awhile - kinda dirgey, kinda psyche, definitely
unique ... check out the misfits or samhain instead - you said you liked
Sonic Youth.  Well ... have you heard the live 45 from Forced Exposure
feature I Killed Christgau with My Limp Dick?  (Christgau is the Village
Voice music editor who determined last year that Sonic Youth did not
deserve coverage by VV spurring an intense letter battle between Thurston
and Bobby Christgau culminating in this track - actually the titel
of the song is Kill YR Idols)

As for Rough Trade - they ARE mailorder, hsut - I'm sure you could spend
more than 20 minutes poring through their catalog.  You DID get a catalog
didn't you????

If you whine, I'll get addresses for these companys.  My favorite (i.e.
most reliable) is Systematic.  They seem to carry everything I want
and I wish I could just buy them out!  Hah!  Not 'till I win the lottery
and that will only happen if someone buys me a ticket!

Oh where was I?  Oh yeah!  For those Minutemen fanz/listeners/enthusiasts
the 3 record album is still going to come out.  All tracks and such are
"in the can" - the only thing left is for the fans/etc to pick their 30
favorite tracks for the live sides.  I talked to the Spaceman hissownbadself
out at SST via my "secret" (i.e. Paul Hammerlinck gave it to me) phone
number.  Nyah, nyah-nee, nyah, nyah - Idon't wanna grow up (can't get that
outta my head!)  I'm planning to write an article on my 30 choices for
this zine I write for ... stayed tuned all five M-man fans out thar. (tim,
larry, hmmm... oh yeh, allyn).  Hsut, check these guys out if you wanna
see some sincere playing around with musical form.  EVERY SONG is a fucking
revelation.  just revel in it.  Double Nicks on A Dime is a good intro - 
3 way tie is a less expensive one.

Gawd, I'm a ramblin man today ... speaking of which I was flipping through
the dials yesterday and caught Neil Young on a cerabal palsey telethon
(!!!!) interviewed by (!!!!) Fonzie!!!!  These 80's are fucking killing
me.

"People pick up on what I'm putting down" - hofmann

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 86 18:52:40 PST
From: Jordan Hayes <jordan@ames.ARPA>
Subject: Re: rough trade

I do believe they have a store in SF ... Allyn, haven't you been there?

/jordan

----- Jim Hofmann sez

	As for Rough Trade - they ARE mailorder, hsut - I'm sure you
	could spend more than 20 minutes poring through their catalog.
	You DID get a catalog didn't you????
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Return-Path: <earle@gorbag>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 86 19:28:03 pst
From: ia-sun2!smeagol!gorbag!earle@csvax.caltech.edu (Greg Earle)
Subject: errata


Well, Love-Hounds lovers, I think I just learned not to post 
off-of-the-top-of-my-head discographies...
First off, mea culpa.  It is indeed FINE Young Cannibals,
and Doug, you are correct, the band contains two former members
of the late lamented Beat; namely their bassist and lead guitar
player (one is David Steele, the other's name escapes me right now).

(NAUGHTY BOY FANNY SLAP TIME)
Remember, Doug - repeat after me:  
"'The Dreaming' was MY FAVORITE album of 1982, since it's MY FAVORITE 
album of all time"... 
I blush when you say four-letter words in music circles ("best") :-)
Naughty Naughty...

Now for the errata.  Here, in toto, is the Compleat Guide to
Siouxsie and the Banshees/The Glove/The Creatures, and the Cocteau Twins:
(This time I have included catalogue numbers (UK releases), and a
few Wrigley's Fun Facts as well)

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		SIOUXSIE AND THE BANSHEES
Singles/EP's:
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	Hong Kong Garden/Voices (Polydor 2059.052) (1978)
(Wrigley's Fun Fact #1: 1st 10,000 copies came in gatefold sleeve)
	The Staircase (Mystery)/20th Century Boy (Polydor POSP 9) (1979)
	Mittageisen/Love In A Void (German Polydor 2059 151) (1979)
(WFF #2: Cover art by anti-Nazi artist John Hartfield)
	Playground Twist/Pull To Bits (Polydor POSP 59) (1979)
	Happy House/Drop Dead/Celebration (Polydor POSP 117) (1980)
(WFF #3: Drop Dead/Celebration is one song - about 2 members that bailed)
	Christine/Eve White Eve Black (Polydor 2059 249) (1980)
(WFF #4: From now on, all singles available as both 7" and 12"; prev. 7" only)
	Israel/Red Over White (Polydor POSP 205) (1980)
	Spellbound//Follow The Sun/Slap Dash Snap (Polydor POSPX 273) (1981)
	Arabian Knights//Supernatural Thing/Congo Conga (POSPX 309) (1981)
(WFF #5: US version [PVC 4902] has a nice live pic sleeve (12") of Sioux;
adds Slap Dash Snap from "Spellbound"; mislabels Congo Conga as "Conga Conga")
	Fireworks//Coal Mind/We Fall (Polydor POSPX 450) (1982)
(WFF #6: 7" of Fireworks has fold-out sleeve with lyric to A-Side.)
	Slowdive//Obsession II/Cannibal Roses (Polydor POSPX 510) (1982)
	Melt!//A Sleeping Rain/Il Est Ne' Le Divin Enfant (POSPX 539) (1982)
(WFF #7: From now on, all releases on own-label, "Wonderland")
	Dear Prudence//Tattoo/There's A Planet In My Kitchen (SHEX 4) (1983)
(WFF #8: 7" of "Dear Prudence" has fold-out sleeve, band pics inside)
	Swimming Horses//Let Go/The Humming Wires (Wonderland SHEX 6) (1984)
	Dazzle (Glamour Mix)//I Promise/Throw Them To The Lions (SHEX 7) (1984)
	The Thorn EP (Wonderland SHE EP 8) (1984)
(WFF #9: Tracks: Overground/Voices//Placebo Effect/Red Over White - 4 old
tracks, redone with new arraingments and the 'Chandos Players' on cello, etc.
Marks first appearance of current guitarist, John Valentine Carruthers)
	Cities In Dust//An Execution/Quarterdrawing Of The Dog (SHEX 9) (1985)

LP's:
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	The Scream (Polydor POLD 5009) (1978)
	Join Hands (Polydor POLD 5024) (1979)
	Kaleidoscope (Polydor 2442 177) (1980)
	Juju (Polydor POLS 1034) (1981)
	A Kiss In The Deamhouse (Polydor POLD 5064) (1982)
	Once Upon A Time - The Singles (Polydor ?) (1983)
	Nocturne (2 LP Live at Royal Albert Hall) (Wonderland SHE LP 3) (1983)
	Hyaena (Wonderland SHE HP 1) (1984)
(WFF #10: ALL these albums have been re-released on domestic (US) pressings
by GEFFEN records - you have no excuses)

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		THE CREATURES
The Creatures are/were a Banshees offshoot, consisting only of Siouxsie, and
the drummer, Budgie (real name Peter Clarke).

Singles:
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	Wild Things By The Creatures (double pack 7")(Polydor POSPG 354)(1981)
(WFF #11: Tracks: Mad Eyed Screamer/So Unreal/But Not Them/Wild Thing/Thumb)
	Miss The Girl/Hot Springs In The Snow (7")(Wonderland SHE 1)(1983)
	Right Now/Weathercade (7") (Wonderland SHE 2) (1983)

LP:
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	Feast (Wonderland SHE LP 1) (1983)

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		THE GLOVE
Same as above, this time consisting of the other half of the (then current)
Banshees, Steve Severin (bass) and Robert Smith (He of The Cure); plus guest
vocalist Jeanette Landray.

Singles:
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	Like An Animal (Club? What Club? Mix)//Like An Animal/Mouth To Mouth
		(Wonderland SHEX 3) (1983) (12" and 7")
	Punish Me With Kisses/The Tightrope (Wonderland SHE 5)(1983)(7" only)

LP:
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	Blue Sunshine (Wonderland SHE LP 2)(1983)

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*** You now know everything there is to know about Siouxsie and The Banshees
records.  Go out and impress your friends. ***

Now for my Cocteau Twins errata (Catalogue Numbers included):

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		COCTEAU TWINS
Singles/EP's:
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	Lullabies EP (4AD BAD 213) (1982)
(WFF #12: Tracks: Feathers-Oar-Blades/All But An Ark Lark//Alas Dies Laughing)
	Peppermint Pig//Laugh Lines/Hazel (4AD BAD 303) (1983)
	Sunburst and Snowblind EP (4AD BAD 314) (1983)
(WFF #13: Tracks: Sugar Hiccup/From The Flagstones//Hitherto/Because Of Whirl-
Jack; last 3 non-lp)
	The Spangle Maker//Pearly Dewdrops' Drops/Pepper Tree (4AD BAD 405)(84)
(WFF #14: Starting with above, enter bassist Simon Raymonde)
	Aikea-Guinea EP (4AD BAD 501) (1985)
(WFF #15: Tracks: Aikea-Guinea/Kookaburra//Quisquose/Rococo)
	Tiny Dynamite EP (4AD BAD 510) (1985)
(WFF #16: Tracks: Pink Orange Red/Ribbed and Veined//Plain Tiger/Sultitan Itan)
	Echoes In A Shallow Bay EP (4AD 511) (1985)
(WFF #17: Tracks: Great Spangled Fritillary/Mellonella//Pale Clouded White/
Eggs And Their Shells)

LP's:
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	Garlands (4AD CAD 211) (1982)
	Head Over Heels (4AD CAD 313) (1983)
	Treasure (4AD CAD 412) (1984)

	As mentioned before, there is the American compilation LP of Lp tracks
and singles, "The Pink Opaque" (1985)

As I said, Liz and Robin have appeared on/produced many other records on the
4AD label.  For those of you who have picked up the This Mortal Coil LP
"It'll End In Tears", there is also a 7" single of the track "Kangaroo" on 4AD,
and before the LP was released (ASIDE TO "CRITICS" -  RELEASED IN SEPT. 198*4*,
ASSHOLES! NOT 85), the Tim Buckley song that Liz sings on the LP was released
as a 12" single (also 4AD).

Editorial Comment:
	The catalogue numbers that 4AD uses are quite good, and I wish other
record companies would follow their lead.  Briefly:
- If a record is a 7" single, the Cat. # begins with AD.
- If it is a 12" EP, it begins with BAD.
- If it is an LP, it begins with CAD.
- The number that follows is :
	- First digit is the release year - 1980 (What happens in 1990? :-)
	- Rest of number is sequential order that record was released in year.

	Thus, for the Cocteaus' "Aikea-Guinea" (Cat. BAD 501), you instantly
know that it was a 12" EP, released in 1985, and it was the first record
that 4AD released in 1985.  Likewise, Bauhaus' "Terror Couple Kill Colonel"
(Cat. AD 7) was a 7", released in 1980, and the 7th record 4AD released in '80.
Simple, huh?

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All for now ...

	Greg Earle
	sdcrdcf!smeagol!earle (UUCP)
	ia-sun2!smeagol!earle@csvax.caltech.EDU (ARPA)

Know Your Culture:
	"Dead Can Dance", & "Spleen And Ideal", LPs by Dead Can Dance
	(4AD CAD 4xx, 4AD CAD 512) (1984, 1985)
Once you've had your appetite for 4AD whetted, try these...

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-- 
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under.

Greg Skinner (gregbo)
{decvax!genrad, allegra, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds
gds@mit-eddie.mit.edu