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Love-Hounds Digest			    Friday, March 7, 1986, 11:59

Today's Topics:

			       Oops...
		 forwarded message on Christian Death
	  (transference of electric love muffin discussion)
      'ofmann eats 'umble pie ... actually subversive diatribe.
Review:  THE SNAKES, _I_Won't_Love_You_(Until_You're_More_Like_Me)_, Dischord, 1986
   Jah give me de liscense to . . . fish (fish(ish(ish(ish(sh . . .
	    Re: Fripp, Exposure, Daryl Hall, King Crimson
		  In Remembrance of Pamela Stevenson

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 86 10:51:13 EST
From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Oops...


Thanks to Peter Alfke (sp.?) for correcting my attributing Shakespeare to
T.S. Elliot. I WAS going to check my copy of Waste Land before babbling,
but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... And I have a well-read copy of the Tempest too...
(insert symbol for extreme embarrassment, foot-in-mouth, red face etc.)

Pseudo-music question of the day: I saw Woody Allen's Hannah and Her Sisters
twice this weekend (how's that for a recommendation? :-) There was a
scene in the movie with Woody Allen in a nightclub making faces while
this band is playing on stage. I thought the band looked too "camp" to
be real, but the cast list at the end named them as "The 39 Steps". Is
this a real band? Has anyone seen them? They're your basic quartet of
lead singer, 2 guitar/bass players and drummer. Just curious...


					Still Embarrassed
					Bill Hsu

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Date:     Mon, 3 Mar 86 9:27:14 EST
From: Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  forwarded message on Christian Death


And now for an opposing view from GoF (I'm assuming that's
who you were refering to, Greg?) 

John sent me this description of Christian DEath by e-mail and
I later asked him if I could post it to love-hounds ( mod.music ),
he said he wasn't sure about all the facts (I said, well, I've
never really been one for facts 8-> ) so ... I even researched this
one a bit and I think everything is correct.

					Jim
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From:  John Reeves <reeves@ucla.locus.edu>

Christian Death is was and will be Wank city.  Formed roughly the same time
as  Joy  Div and Bahaus, CD was the first (or therabouts) death/halloweenie
bands - all spooky in black clothes, snow white tans and mysterioso  images
-  featured  Rikki Agnew (x-Adolecents, now in DI) on gtr and Tranvestite
Roz on Vocals.  Their first album was  on  Frontier  and  most  people  saw
straight  through  the selfindulgent bullshit, until it got to europe where
it 'inspired' a cult following culminating in the Batcave stuff.  Of course
when  the  inspiration  got back here, people went apecrazy of it - nothing
like validation from the mother shores to be claimed as originality.  nah.
By  the time doom and gloom got fashionable, Christian Death had broken up,
but when Roz found out she was Big in England, she reformed the  band  with
second  stringers  for a Yerpean tour (this was about 1984?).  I don't know
about any other vinyl.  The original members recently had a one-shot reunion
gig,  after which they were served notice by a lawyer for one of the second
stringers (moniked 'Valor') to cease and desist using the  name  'cause  of
trademark infingment.  Nice guy.

                                        --John

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Date:     Mon, 3 Mar 86 9:38:38 EST
From: Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  (transference of electric love muffin discussion)

Welcome, Paul Kirsch to this list - I've decided to stop responding
to your brethern at SJU after they both showed themselves to the
world their ignorance. I just hope no one else out there believes
them.  Actually, I heard the Electric Love Muffins (which one of
your fellow SJU'ers proclaimed undying love ) at a "hardcore" show
with the Psychotic Normans and Flag of Democracy.  I liked them
so much I traveled up to Philly to hear them with Executive Slacks.
It is ironic that someone like L.P. would like them since they
had to look to the hardcore scene for gigs and nuturing.  One question,
that I couldn't pursue when I last saw them since the drive home
was to be long and arduous and I couldn't stick around - do they
have any tapes out? or records?

Finally, is Palena really Rowly?  Their writing style and
views coincide so much that it seems hard to believe it is
coincidence.  Please fill us in.

Here, Greg is my favorite quote -
"Communication is essential if we wish to communicate!!"
			       - Mike (some guy at a club)

and from a personal letter from Joe Jack:
"don't get hit by any cars, Jim"

				Hofmann
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I reserve the right not to respond to any flames.

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Date:     Mon, 3 Mar 86 10:00:54 EST
From: Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  'ofmann eats 'umble pie ... actually subversive diatribe.

>Date: 2 Mar 1986 11:07-PST
>Sender: CDONALDSON@USC-ISIF.ARPA
>Subject: Re: Love-Hounds Digest
>From: CDONALDSON@USC-ISIF.ARPA

> Mr. Hoffman, the Village Voice is NO longer owned by R. Murdoch. Perhaps

Once again, my complete lack of intelligence is shown to the world ... thanks
for filling me in so I won't make a total ass of myself at parties ...

speakin' of parties, i attended one last saturday in reisterstown, md with
the total reistertown high school "hardcore" population.  it was held in
an attic with about an average of 2 inches head clearance (estimated
std. deviation = 32") with a band called OTR playing.  They asked the
crowd if they wanted to hear Judas Priest, when no one responded, they
said fuck you and played some anyway.  I guess you can guess what OTR
stands for - amazing, though, how easy it is for a bunch of teenagers
to create their own alternative scene without any wankers telling them
what is "politically and musically correct" in order to be "alternative."

These various assorted "scenes" in small town America anywhere is sympomatic
of the coming decline of the "music ""industry"" " - most of these major
labels are holding companies for large conglomorates who will cut their 
profit and run at the first sign of unmarketability.  Why do you think this
push for dollar taxes on blank tapes and 25% taxes on dual port recorders
is going on?  Kids aren't only "bootlegging" lp's they are passing
around tapes of their local bands and listening to them, regardless
of a slick, professional sound.  This "slick professional sound" can
be easily produced for a few bucks more anyway and some bands into
marketing their own tapes are doing it on their own.  When the major
labels cry about dwindling sales (only like 4 billion last year -
[that's probably inaccurate but it's something outrageous)] they
are really yelling "fire" in a crowded movie house, where all the
strange men in overcoats are really cassettes of unsigned, unknown,
bands and instead of a "fire" all these strange men are TRADING themselves
with each other.  Horrifying!!!

but like I said, alot of these major labels will give up when the
going gets unprofitable - look at MGM (I know that's movies but ...)
so take heart as they try desparately to come up with marketing
ideas like "next wave" or "cd players" ...

Be subversive, buy a cassette from an unknown band. Take chances -
you might find something you like.

			Hofmann
                                      >  "Profit before Principle"
					yah! the same exact
					philosophy can be used
					against them...


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Date:     Mon, 3 Mar 86 17:29:00 EST
From: Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  Review:  THE SNAKES, _I_Won't_Love_You_(Until_You're_More_Like_Me)_, Dischord, 1986

Date:     Wed, 26 Feb 86 17:33:12 EST
Subject:  Jah give me de liscense to . . . fish (fish(ish(ish(ish(sh . . .

I was thinking how it's about time I wrote a real snotty thing about a record
and was considering this new Snakes thing from Dischord to rant about.  After 
all, it's an easy target - with the retread garage punk psyche that this mostly 
is but I've realized that, damnit, I like this vinyl.  Sure, it's funny but I 
could probably spend days describing the various influences that pop up here
with hardcore being among the least of them.  This strikes some as suprising
since the release is a brainchild of Mike Hampton and Ivar Jacobson, who though
they claim not to listen to hardcore spend a hell of lot of time playing it
with their respective bands, Embrace and SOA (well, correction - SOA isn't 
playing that much anymore ...).  At times, this soars with the best of the 60's 
garage compilations (Nuggets spring to mind here) with the punky melodic
tunes as, "I won't love you (till your more like me)" (the title cut), "Twelve
Angry Men", "Serv Pro Joe" (with its Keith Moonish vocals!) and "She's got
it now".  But they didn't stop there and included some send-ups of other
genres with Snake Rap, License to Fish (reggae - see subject header) and
Fixing A Chair.  The latter cut in it's first few moments sounded like some
real cool thrash but before they pound into it - one of the boys stops and
says he can't play because he has to go fix a chair.  Must be an in joke
because this baby is ripe with them.  For example, the last cut on side 1 
features someone pouring a cola and is entitled Confirming Suspicions 
perhaps referring to Ian's supposed Coke (we're talking about the soda here, 
folks) addiction that invariably he mentions in interviews.  Oh yeah, Ian 
MacKaye is producing here in case you didn't know but with all the dubbing and 
ping-ponging that was probably going on at the Inner Ear during this recording 
the mix  comes out somewhat flat.  Too bad, they couldn't have waited until the 
Ear  went 16-track.  

So how could I hate this vinyl?  With all this and the price ($5) - how can you
go wrong (as !stolaf!robertsl would say)?  So if you're into garage-punk psyche  
dub or something of that configuration, I strongly recommend you add this to your 
collection.

Available from Dischord Records, Washington DC

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 86 06:36:05 est
From: John Kitamura <floyd!clyde!watmath!utcsri!kato>
Subject: Re: Fripp, Exposure, Daryl Hall, King Crimson
Apparently-To: Love-Hounds

[This article was found in mod.music.  You may may to edit it out,
gds, so that it doesn't appear twice. -- Doug]

	Although credited as co-composer, Daryl Hall isn't the vocalist on
"Chicago". It is sung by the amazing Peter Hammil, of Van Der Graff Generator
fame, and lately of the "K" Band. Hammil and Fripp have collaborated on
several other projects (Two VDGG albums, "H to He, Who am the Only One", and
"Pawn Hearts", and a couple solo Hammil albums (I think)).
On exposure, Hammil also sings on "Disengage" and "I may not have had e..."
	Another interesting point; "Exposure" has been recently (end of
last summer) re-released in Canada with a foldout cover. The tracks are
listed as the same but there are noticeable differences in the songs.
A different vocal track is used on "Disengage", the Frippertronics
pieces are a lot longer (some by several minutes), and some of the between
track conversations have been shortened.
	As for "Exposure" being a Crimson album, I have to agree. Most of
the material was written while Crimson was still together (The Wetton/Bruford/
Cross line-up) and it sounds much more like Crimson than Fripp's later
works. (But not the `new' Crimson - the Belew infested one).

	A postscript: For those of you who really enjoy the hard-edged
material on "Exposure" and "Starless and Bible Black", and are Wayside Music
corresponders, I heartily recommend the two "Bi Kyo Ran" albums that they
are currently offering - a Japanese Crimson-cover band. Perhaps not the
most inventive music ever recorded, but the guitarist/composer is a dead
ringer for that era of Fripp.

John Kitamura/ Univ of Toronto

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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 86 01:21:13 EST
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: In Remembrance of Pamela Stevenson

>> [Me:] If anyone thinks they know how "aresh aresh tomp pare hairdo"
>> should really read, or knows what a "Cop Boutique" is, please let
>> me know:

> [gtalylor:] I'm surprised that a dedicated obscurantist such as
> yourself could miss where "aresh" comes from.....after all, the
> author's name is right there in the song! Yep, good old Marcel Brust
> -oops, that's Proust.  The real title is "A la Recherche du Temps
> Perdu", translated in English as "The Remembrance of Things Past."

Oh well, so much for my knowledge of French literature...  Actually I
know of the book -- just not the author.

Good detective work!  I went back and listened to the song, and think
that the line is actually a play on the real title.  It now sounds
like

	Went to my hairdresser to have a hairdoo
	He asked if I him knew 'A la Recherche Tete-Temps Perdu" 

> It's a 3 volume set of 7 "books" in the most elliptical Frogspeak
> you can imagine whose siren charms are known to all.  It is the
> novelistic equivalent of very good brandy. It will either entirely
> captivate your or put you right to sleep, just like you-know-who.

How much is lost or altered in translation, though?  I have enough
trouble with elliptical English Frogspeak, without trying to tackle
French Frogspeak.

	"La plume de ma tante est sur la beaureau de mon uncle
	 Et le papier de mon uncle est sur la beaureau de ma tante"

	 Doug


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-- 
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under.

Greg Skinner (gregbo)
{decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds
gds@eddie.mit.edu