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Love-Hounds Digest			    Saturday, March 22, 1986,

Today's Topics:

				Groaners
		       Sonic Youth/Couch Flambeau
	   Goanna, love-hounds morale, weird girls in Philly
		       Right Planet, Wrong Medium
			      weird movies
			     Peter Gabriel
			       Re: Movies
			       No, no, no
			      Recent gigs
		   Buttholes, continued and concluded
		   Golden Palominos question (2 msgs)
			Robyn Hitchcock fan club

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 86 08:12:25 pst
From: Scott Peterson <think!seismo!unc.CSNET!hplabs!tektronix!ogcvax!omssw1!omssw1!sdp>
Subject: Groaners

          THE SEMI COMPLETE LIST OF SHEEP SONGS

Here is a list of slightly altered song titles that become somewhat
amusing to the sick and twisted when taken literally.  

Songs:
Every breath ewe take - police
No one like ewe - scorpions
Rock ewe like a hurricane - scorpions
Don't ewe forget about me - simple minds
Born in the ewe S. A. - bruce
Ewe really got me - kinks
Missing ewe - i dunno [john waite]
Do ewe believe in love - i dont care
Who are ewe - the who
Ewe better ewe bet - the who
Running to ewe - cars
(baby) Ewe can drive my car - beatles
Hello, I love ewe - doors (?)
Would I lie to ewe - eurythmics
Babe I'm gonna leave ewe - zep
Ewe can't always get what you (they) want - stones


Imagine the covers of these albums changed to reflect the new titles.

Albums:
Wish ewe were here - floyd
Tattoo ewe - stones


Groups:
ewe-2


Anybody got any more?


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Date:     Mon, 17 Mar 86 12:20:31 EST
From: Hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA
Subject:  Sonic Youth/Couch Flambeau


>How to describe their music?  It has the same rawness and intensity
>of early 80's hardcore that's for sure.  And they reject the use
>Jim


	Date: Thu, 13 Mar 86 23:54:37 EST
	From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
	Subject: Re: Sonic Youth



	I don't think Sonic Youth sounds much like early hardcore, but 
	what do I  know about early hardcore... 

				 Bill Hsu

Like I said, the same rawness and intensity is present not the same sound.
Just wanted to clarify that.

Private to Bill:  Your system responds to my messages to you with (and
I quoteth): "I don't want to talk to you" ... why?  Your private missive
about Couch Flambeau was answered with a "buy the `new' album - The Day
the Music Died if you like P O W E R  music  ... if Pete Townsend ever
got hit on the head and his memory returned he'd probably want to be
backed up by a band like the Couch ...


				Keep your cool and follow the rules,

					Jim

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From: think!harvard!bu-cs!sam
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 11:46:16 EST
Subject: Goanna, love-hounds morale, weird girls in Philly


>I'd like to see what you all look like
>to see if you look as strange as you talk. And if you look normal (by
>normal, I mean, pretty much like everyone else, not like the girl I saw
>in Philly with half her head shaved and crosses painted on her scalp
>in red nailpolish, and a white mouse in her over-sized coat pocket)

Wait a cotton-pickin' second...that girl in Philly was ME...!
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Musical question(s) of the day:
  
  I once saw somebody here list Goanna: Spirit of Place as one of
their 10 albums to take to a desert island. (I listed it too, but I
couldn't remember the name of the album, just the group...)  Is that
person still out there?  Do you, or anybody else know anything else
about Goanna?  Did they ever release anything else after Spirit of
Place?  Does anybody else like this Aussie music?  How about Moving
Pictures?  They could be the Australian version of Loverboy.  Or
Midnight Oil...the Aussie Def Leppard (sp?).  Can anybody recommend
anything to me more of the Goanna genre?  Moving Pictures was nice
to listen to...once or twice, but I'm curious about other local-type
things.  I have mucho friends in Australia, and if I knew what to ask
for I could get them to send them to me...
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BY THE WAY...I'm so glad this obscenity fight is officially over.
As the youngest (assumedly) person here (my virgin ears!), I just
want to say that *I* was never offended.....

But now that it's over...maybe we could do something to increase
love-hounds morale!!  Let's see, the possibilities are endless.
We could start another poll...or maybe play a nifty prank on 
net.music.kate-haters.  Wait...I've got it...how many people here
are from the Boston area?  I think pretty many... let's have a 
*party*...I vote for Doug's apartment because it's appropriately
decorated.  :-)

And you folks in D.C. could do the same thing on the same night...
it'd be like the Guideposts prayer hour...(well, maybe not exACTly..)
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"It's a one time thing
   it just happens
       a lot"
                  
   --Shelli


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Date: 17 Mar 86 15:53:00 PST
From: "ROSSI J.A." <rossi@nusc.ARPA>
Subject: Right Planet, Wrong Medium
Reply-To: "ROSSI J.A." <rossi@nusc.ARPA>

Shelli,

I'm new to this 'guess the NET' addressing game and wouldn't even attempt
to try to send mail directly to your address (tries to much less lengthy
addresses have failed me in the past).  In response to your inquiry,
I do believe that the answer would be somewhat verbose, however, here
goes....

It was about 3:00 am and I was performing the last lateral-hypothalamic
rat-brain electrode implant of the day (about Summer, 1982).  I was
wearing my Walkman and tuned into WIOT Toledo.  Just as I was suturing 
SEX came over the waves (this may not sound like much, but that was
probably the most progressive thing ever played on that station .. normal
mid-western fare station, Ozzie, Ted Nugent etc).  It was unidentified,
and in the haze brought upon by the time factor as well as being in an
unventilated surgery suite with several unopened bottles of dental
acrylic hardner (heavy on the toluene, I think), I actually wondered
if I was halucinating, especially when I heard what I thought was F*CK
ME at the end of the piece.  After determining that I did hear the song,
I tried calling WIOT to find out what it was.  The DJ claimed that it was
never played.  I stopped thinking about it and got loaded.

About two years later, I saw a Night-Flight concerning 'Sex in Music', or
some such topic.  Sure enough, they played the SEX video, and I learned
of the existence of the band Berlin.  Once I realized what I was hearing/
seeing, my attention was drawn to the close of the tune, but alas (more 
Pournelle rub off), no indication of subdued obscenities at the end.
Since I now realized I had heard this song in the surgery that night my
interests were peaked (pun?) and I ran off to get the Pleasure Victim
album the next day.

I listened to the SEX track, and confirmed the existence of F*CK something
or other in the moans at the end.  I became more obsessed with the METRO track
than SEX, however, and again, I failed to confirm the F*CK ME line.

About a month later, I recounted this whole thing with a sound engineer
friend of mine (ex audiologist/synthesist), he insisted that the signal to
noise ratio of the lyrics in the moans, coupled with the frequency attenuation
from FM transmission, would have made it impossible for me to hear what
was spoken at the end of the track.  I then played the track for him and
he agreed that there was a F*CK something spoken in the moans at the end. Now,
he had access to all this sound processing equipment for digital filtering
and analysis of audiograms, as well as a speed translating device which
is used, i believe, in speech recognition improvement paradigms.  We
encoded the last 15 secs of the SEX track and processed it with the
equipment.  When the signal/noise ratio between the moans and the speech
was maximized, it was unquestionable that the words were F*CK ME, F*CK ME. I
must confess, however, that the second F*CK ME could have possibly been
another UCK word (e.g., suck) but it was definately not any word related
to anal sex.

End of story .... (Told you it would be verbose)

By the way, If anyone knows how to mail directly to multi "!"ed addresses
directly from a generic MILNET or ARPANET Host, please clue me in.

"Only timw ccan Close the Door"

John

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Date:  Mon, 17 Mar 86 17:09 MST
From: "James J. Lippard" <Lippard@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA>
Subject:  weird movies
Reply-To:  Lippard@MULTICS.MIT.EDU

In the last week or so, I saw the movies "Blowup", "8 1/2", "The
Tenant", "Picnic at Hanging Rock", and "Videodrome".  All were strange
in different sorts of ways, but they prompted me to put together a list
of some of the stranger movies I've seen, ranked in a scale of
"weirdness" from 0 to 5, plus 6 being a special category for
"Eraserhead" (0 would be a conventional, straight-forward movie).  I
liked them all, I have a fondness for weird movies.  Anybody have any
good ones to add to this list?

 1: Picnic at Hanging Rock (Peter Weir)
     (Girls from a boarding school visit Hanging Rock, three and one teacher
      do not return.  Viewer has to "provide own conclusions" as to what
      happened.)

 2: Blowup (Michelangelo Antonioni)
     (Photographer gets pictures of a murder about to take place.
      DePalma's "Blow Out" borrowed heavily.  Lots of strange symbolism.)

    The Tenant (Roman Polanski)
     (Neat story, reminded me of something by Rudy Rucker.  Polanski
      plays paranoid tenant in apartment whose previous owner committed
      suicide.)

 3: Videodrome (David Cronenberg)
     (Executive of small Canadian TV channel comes across a pirate
      broadcast of a show called "Videodrome", whose participants are
      tortured and beaten.  Quickly becomes very weird, difficult to
      tell what is really happening and what is videodrome-induced
      hallucination.)

    if... (Lindsay Anderson)
     (Malcolm McDowell and friends plan revolution at a military
      boarding school.  Scenes periodically in black & white, weird
      ending.  McDowell's first film.)

 4: Man of Flowers (?)
     (I just remember it was weird, but my mental condition at the
      time was such that it might have just been me.  No, I think it
      was weird.  Much of it seemed to make some kind of sense at the
      time (though I'm pretty sure *that* was just me).  Anybody else
      seen this who can enlighten me?)

    Oh Lucky Man (Lindsay Anderson)
     (McDowell appears again in a sort of sequel to "if...".
      A self-referential movie that starts out making perfect sense
      and then really becomes strange.)

 5: 8 1/2 (Federico Fellini)
     (Another self-referential movie.  Lots of scenes which are not
      directly connected to one another, I bet repeated viewing would
      make more sense out of it.  Woody Allen's "Stardust Memories"
      came to mind a lot while watching this.)

 6: Eraserhead (David Lynch)
     (WEIRD.  If anyone can explain this movie, I'd like to hear it.)

   -- Jim (Lippard at MULTICS.MIT.EDU)

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 10:59:02 est
From: Alec Saunders <wasaunders%watdragon%waterloo.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA>
Subject: Peter Gabriel
Apparently-To: Love-Hounds

After Gabriel iv he announced he wasn't recording anymore. He said he was
going into 'films'. Who knows when the next Gabriel album will be!?

-- 
Alec Saunders  wasaunders!watdragon!watnot!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses
						     ...!cbosgd!ihnp4
					       ...!vt200!linus
"Parallel hair???? Who needs it!"




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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 21:50:29 EST
From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Movies



I wonder if this movies stuff will get posted to mod.music. If it does,
then maybe we'll get another round of complaints again. I hope so :-)

I kind of enjoy movies that are "different" too; a few examples:

BRAZIL		A trip in more ways than one... read net.movies for details

LIQUID SKY	What the great decadent artists like Genet might have done
		if they made music videos. Perfect soundtrack, hilarious
		dada minimalist plot about aliens who land on the roof
		of a lesbian model... SEE IT!!

STRANGER THAN PARADISE	This is "different" only in its choppy, unpolished
			style. The story is straightforward (girl from
			foreign country comes to US, has misadventures etc.)
			Endearing characters.

And lots of Woody Allen (I haven't seen Stardust Memories, tho), Ralph
Bakshi (FRITZ THE CAT, AMERICAN POP, etc.), more mainstream things like
APOCALYPSE NOW (I hope Palena doesn't read this...), HAROLD AND MAUDE,
BLADERUNNER (see it for the crumbling LA of the 21st century and the
gigantic billboards) etc. etc.

On my list of "must sees": DIVA, ERASERHEAD, PINK FLAMINGOES, any Fellini,
any Werner Herzog, any Fassbinder, etc. etc.


				Bill Hsu

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 22:06:29 EST
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: No, no, no

No!  No more "ewe" jokes!  I can't take any more.  No, not a single one
more!

			"L'Amour Looks Something Like You"

			 Doug

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 19:16:08 PST
From: allynh@calder.berkeley.edu (Allyn Hardyck)
Subject: Recent gigs

Scraping Foetus off the Wheel / Negativland @ I-Beam, SF, March 10

Well, this was something of a disappointment.  But not because of the
opener:  Negativland was great, proffering their twisted tech view
of their home (suburban Contra Costa County) in a mass of tape loopings,
editings, videos and 3 Casio CZ-101s.  The members of the band wouldn't
look out of place working for Zehntel.  "(squirt) (squirt) I'm using my
409 to clean up this sloppy mess!"  Their latest album features a small
packet of genuine lawn clippings.

But Foetus' stage act was not up to the level of his albums.  It was
understandable that he wouldn't be able to reproduce everything live, but it
ended up reducing to him, a mike, and dry ice.  (And distortedly over-loud
backing tapes.)  He came out in leather jacket (soon shed) and pants,
shades, and a baseball bat.  We've seen this swagger before.  "D.  E.  S.  T.
R.  O.  Y.  Des-TROY!  ALL!  GIRLS!"  (swish)  (swish).  Yeah yeah.
After 20 minutes of this, he collapsed on the stage and disappeared into
the fog.  Did not play "The Only Good Christian is a Dead Christian."
On stage, Billy Idol revisited.  (What's happened to him anyway?)

The Fall / The Nuns / The Catheads @ The Stone, SF, March 14

Oops - came into the club a little early, the Catheads hadn't played their
radio hit, "Golden Gate Park" ("even the cops are cool") and weren't that
interesting (no in-out privileges at this place, I forgot).  Yeah, that PiL
video, lots of laundry and dried leaves and flailing.

The Nuns - this was that seminal late 70's SF band?  Well, they did "Suicide
Child" so I guess so, but as someone said, "Never trust a guitarist with a
Flying V."  And they never did turn off the blue light on the female
keyboardist.

Well, a large percentage of the crowd (non-punks) decided that the Fall was
suitable music to slam to, so I got a mass of woefully out-of-place-looking
people on top of me much of the night, who I gleefully reasserted my
equilibrium against.  Only songs I recognized were "Lay of the Land" and
"2 x 4" (encore) (I don't have the new album).  Not much on audience contact
are they?  Brix did occasionally say things to an apparent friend at the
edge of the stage.  That was the only time any visible emotion was
displayed by a member of the band (she smiled), except when someone leapt
onto the stage, weaved about it, and dove off the right side near her
(the crowd neatly peeled back and he hit the floor with a satisfyingly
crunchy sound), at which she registered cool contempt.

"Keep your hands inside the ride at all times"

allyn

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Date:     Mon, 17 Mar 86 17:38:02 EST
From: Hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA
Subject:  Buttholes, continued and concluded


When we last left the hapless interviewer with those madcap Butthole
Surfers ... gibby likened their sound with wipe-abilly ...


Interviewer:  You mean there's a rockabilly element to your
music?

Gibby:  No there's more a grunt element

Paul:  We're like an extended bad TV commercial

Interviewer:  Is it the kind of music that comes out and hits you
	over the head?

Gibby:  No, it's the kind of music that comes out and plays with your
	sister.

Interviewer:  Do you play the blues?

Paul:  It's all the blues; well sort of the browns.


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Date: 17 Mar 1986 2109-PST (Monday)
From: Elgin Lee <ehl@su-navajo.arpa>
Subject: Golden Palominos question

Just checked the paper and saw that the Golden Palominos are playing
locally (S.F.) next week.  Which brings me to the momentous question:
when the Golden Palominos tour, who are the players?  I guess that
Bill Laswell and Anton Fier will show up, but who else?  Probably not
Michael Stipe, Jack Bruce, or Johnny Lydon.  Henry Kaiser?  Richard
Thompson?  Syd Straw?

		quizzically,

			Elgin Lee




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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 00:20:55 EST
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Re:  Golden Palominos question

> From: Elgin Lee <ehl@su-navajo.arpa>

> Just checked the paper and saw that the Golden Palominos are playing
> locally (S.F.) next week.  Which brings me to the momentous
> question: when the Golden Palominos tour, who are the players?  I
> guess that Bill Laswell and Anton Fier will show up, but who else?
> Probably not Michael Stipe, Jack Bruce, or Johnny Lydon.  Henry
> Kaiser?  Richard Thompson?  Syd Straw?

I saw them play at the Paradise in Boston a short while back, and the 
most notable members there were Anton Fier, Jack Bruce, Syd Straw, and
someone else whose name I can't remember offhand, but who was in Faust
and has a bunch of solo albums.

			"If they find me racing white horses
			 They'll not take me for a buoy"

			 Doug

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 01:26:22 EST
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Robyn Hitchcock fan club

It was only a matter of time, was it not?

	ROBYN HITCHCOCK

	If you would like to be on our mailing list, or would be
	interested in joining a Robyn Hitchcock Fan Club, send
	SASE

	TO:	T. Miller
		158-15 79th St.
		Howard Beach, N.Y.  11414

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-- 
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under.

Greg Skinner (gregbo)
{decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds
gds@eddie.mit.edu