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Love-Hounds Digest			    Monday, March 24, 1986, 02:59

Today's Topics:

		   Picnic at Hanging Rock (2 msgs)
			barely audible vocals
		      Re: Wierd movies (2 msgs)
			Thomas Dolby (2 msgs)
		     Bush / Gabriel / maybe more
		neo bang-bang music / rodents in heat
		   Re:  Bush / Gabriel / maybe more
	     XTC info & assorted stuff from a new reader
			 Bill Nelson, and PIL
		      Love-Hounds: Funny Movies
		KB 12" singles and Cloudbusting Video

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Subject: Picnic at Hanging Rock
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 08:03:58 -0500
From: jdarnold@ATHENA.MIT.EDU


PaHR is one of my all time favorite movies by my all time favorite
director, Peter Weir.  Something you forgot to mention: the music in
this movie is incredible!  I would do anything to get the soundtrack,
esp. on CD!  Mostly using the Pipes-of-Pan, by that all time favorite
(he even has a Send-Before-Midnight-Tonight-World's-Greatest-Record on
TV album) Zamfir, the music and the soft focus and beautiful young
girls all contribute to a very eerie and hard to shake atmosphere
piece.  It was on the Arts & Entertainment network a few weeks ago and
I finally got it on Video tape.  This particular showing was really
marred by commercial breaks (which has destroyed many a great movie,
especially atmosphere pieces), but with a quick trigger finger, I
carefully avoided recording them.  If it should ever come to a
theater, tho, check this one out!

Also by Peter Weir (all of which are excellent movies):
	The Last Wave - weird movie of the apocalypse, with Richard
Chamberlin 
	Gallipoli - somewhat slow war movie with Mel Gibson
	Year of Living Dangerously - another excellent soundtrack by a
someone-I-can't-right-now-recall Jarre, with Mel Gibson and Sigourney
Weaver; another incredible atmosphere movie
	Witness - Academy Award nominations out the wazoo - definitely
my Picture, Director, and Actor of the Year (Harrison Ford was superb); 

Heard on 'FNX yesterday - my current #1 song is by The Call: I Still
Believe, and the DJ said that Peter Gabriel helps out (does the
vocal?) on 1 song on their album (as does that twerp lead singer of
Simple Minded, oh well, few things are perfect!).


		<J.D.>

PS: I'll get back to you on the Goanna album, perhaps with a
discography.  I too am big on things Aussie and have friends "down"
there.  Aussie movies are my specialty.

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 21:19:45 pst
From: think!seismo!hao!hplabs!tektronix!ogcvax!omssw1!omssw1!sdp (Scott Peterson)
Subject: barely audible vocals

Never heard of (the group) SEX, but Zappa's "Crew Slut" on "Joe's
Garage, Act I" has a background vocal that drones "f*ck me" alternated
with "f*ck you" for a good portion of the song.  Took me a few
listenings to realize that the background was somebody talking.

--- Scott   <sdp@telefunken>

" ... I ain't gonna squash it,
      and you don't need to wash it ... "  see above

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 22:12:15 pst
From: think!seismo!hao!hplabs!tektronix!ogcvax!omssw1!omssw1!sdp (Scott Peterson)
Subject: Re: Wierd movies

My 3 favorite wierd movies are

Buckaroo Banzai, Across the 8th Dimension
Videodrome
The Man Who Fell to Earth

(Two of these have music, so it's ok to discuss them here, right?)

I've seen "Oh Lucky Man", but not all of the scenes in the proper order.
Does it make a difference?  It's always on at 3:12 on channel 3.71e-9.
I do distinctly remember them referring to some specific act as "Giving
her the old in-out", with a proper british accent.

Understanding "Eraserhead" requires special chemicals.  I've never seen
the movie or the chemicals.

--- Scott   <sdp@yoyodyne>

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 86 12:27:57 pst
From: think!seismo!hao!hplabs!tektronix!ogcvax!omssw1!omssw1!sdp (Scott Peterson)
Subject: Thomas Dolby

Did Thomas Dolby quit the music business after just "The Golden Age of
Wireless" and "The Flat Earth"?  I bought an album by George Clinton (?)
because the R.S. said Dolby was on it.  Turns out he was on it as a
producer.  I was disappointed by that AND the music.  Anyway, what's
TD up to these days?  Am I the only one that cares?

--- Scott  <sdp@H Oregon>
                 2

... it turned into
    the kind of drug
    that Kieth feels
    isn't that funny ...    "The White City"  T.D.

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Date: Thu 20 Mar 86 08:32:48-PST
From: Bob Knight <KNIGHT@SRI-NIC.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging Rock

I second the recommendation of PaHR, and will add one thing to the list -
The Plumber, an extremely bizarre short movie about a housewife being
terrorized by a (deliberately?) incompetent plumber...

Bob
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 09:07:18 PST
From: jordan@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu (Jordan Hayes)
Subject: Re:  Thomas Dolby

Didn't he work (anonymously) on the first few Whodini! singles?

/jordan

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 11:15:40 EDT
From: seismo!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl (John Labovitz)
Subject: Re: weird movies
X-Mailer: msg [version 3.2]

For the last few days, I've been trying to think of movies that would
qualify as `weird.'  I knew I'd seen some in addition to the original list,
but I couldn't remember.  But here ya go...

``Even Dwarfs Started Small'' (Werner Herzog) -- The residents of a mental
	asylum, all midgets, revolt and trash the place.  Everything is
	horrifying here -- torturing the monkeys and chickens, blowing
	things up, setting fire to people.  The scariest scene I've ever had
	the pleasure of watching is the oldest midget sitting on top of a
	motorcycle, revving the engine, and laughing -- for about 5
	minutes.  Guaranteed to ..  uh .. do something to you.

``Sweet Movie'' -- I don't really know what the plot is.  Something about a
	bunch of people who do bizarre things and then some of them get
	aboard a commune ship going around the world.  And then someone
	drowns while masturbating in a large vat of chocolate.  Damn bizarre.
	(Directed by the same guy who did ``Montenegro'' (one of my all-time
	favorites) and ``The Coca-Cola Kid.'')

If anyone's seen either of these, I'd like to get your opinions on them.

John Labovitz		..!{rlgvax,seismo}!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl
--
Don't act so embarrassed
It's a family trait
	-- Robyn Hitchcock

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Date:     Wed, 19 Mar 86  23:16:53 EST
From: CUTTER%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU  (Local UMass address is
  Cutter@Mailer.CY175)
Subject:  Bush / Gabriel / maybe more

Zowie, Doug! I knew Gabriel grabbed her (figuratively) for "peter
gabriel" (III), but a concert? Wowzers! Damn lucky you're local...

I finally fit HoL on a C90. There's NO space between songs, but....

I got the info on "Good" from the dude who was ripping the "Import
Gabriel" section of the store apart with me. We were talking for about
20 minutes. He said that he subscribed to several Genesis/Gabriel fan
mags and all had reported that the title was going to be called "Good".
I checked with some other people in the store the next day and heard
the same thing. You know fans, they will kill themselves to find out
info, and they're usually not wrong...

Yupper, the bootleg was Paris, '79. There were no other bootlegs there,
although the chill dude at the counter said there were some coming in
Real Soon Now. More as this develops.

Also, I played the whole of "Watching You Without Me" backwards (I have
a flakey turntable) in an attempt to see if the odd-sounding pseudo-Indian
portion was spoken backwards. It is, but it all sounds like "He sees heat"
or "He knows knock". Anyone else tried it? Didja get better results???

                                I'm going down to Florida,
                                          Joe
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"It's not music, it's a disease."
               - Mitch Miller

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Date: 20 Mar 86 15:10:00 PST
From: "ROSSI J.A." <rossi@nusc.ARPA>
Subject: neo bang-bang music / rodents in heat
Reply-To: "ROSSI J.A." <rossi@nusc.ARPA>


Doug,

Definition : Neo-bang-bang music - that type of music usually played by
             instrumentalists with little or no talent.  The music is
             often characterized by continuous strumming of one or two
             chords at obnoxiously high volume backed by a drummer who
             is unable to deal with anything but straight 4/4 time with
             an occasional high-hat ride and a tom beat.  When there is
             a vocal in such music it is usually sung by a vocalist with
             little or no talent, it is usually screamed and has little
             cognitive components.  This music has no redeaming value
             at any level in tha lacks originality and other
             good qualities.  In my opinion (I stress this) many of the
             new-wave political bands fall in to this category.  While
             thee may be agrivation, compassion, and idealism in their
             music, it still makes my dog nervous.  (Maybe the correct
             def is "music that makes my dog nervous").

As to where you can get a recording of rodents in heat, you might bring a
port recorder to a pet store which sells rodents.  If you can find someone
who can sex them, you can separate the males from the females.  Given the
promiscuous nature of most rodents within a day or two you might catch
the event.

(Seriously, I never meant to coin the term Neo-bang-bang music in the first p
place.  I generally like most types of music even that described above.  As for
rodents in heat, If I ever get out of the navy and get back into an animal lab,
I will be glad to record some for you.)

"lunch special -
 1 12" and 1 coke for 4.95"

John

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 15:20:58 EST
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Re:  Bush / Gabriel / maybe more

> From: CUTTER%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU

> Zowie, Doug! I knew Gabriel grabbed her (figuratively) for "peter
> Gabriel" (III), but a concert?  Wowzers! Damn lucky you're local...

For the concert, it was other way around, however.  Kate grabbed him.
Peter Gabriel was also the "special guest" on Kate Bush's BBC TV
special in '79, and they did a duet together -- a cover of Roy
Harper's wonderful "Another Day" (Cocteau Twin fans are probably
familiar with this song.)

> I finally fit HoL on a C90. There's NO space between songs, but....

You didn't really speed it up 3% did you???

> I got the info on "Good" from the dude who was ripping the "Import
> Gabriel" section of the store apart with me. We were talking for about
> 20 minutes. He said that he subscribed to several Genesis/Gabriel fan
> mags and all had reported that the title was going to be called
> "Good".

Did you get the addresses of any of these Gabriel fanzines?  I've been
looking for a Peter Gabriel fanzine for ages.  They must not be
exteremely well-known or they would have been mentioned in one of the
KB zines.  (You can find both "Break-Through" and "Homeground" every
now and then in Newbury Comics, but maybe not "Break-Through" any more
because they had so much trouble getting paid by Dutch East India
Trading that they decided to only do subscriptions from now on.)

> Also, I played the whole of "Watching You Without Me" backwards (I
> have a flakey turntable) in an attempt to see if the odd-sounding
> pseudo-Indian portion was spoken backwards. It is, but it all sounds
> like "He sees heat" or "He knows knock". Anyone else tried it? Didja
> get better results???

I have the whole thing on tape backwards.  The part that sounds like
"Really see" forwards still sounds like "Really see" backwards.
There's one part that sounds  to me like "He was long..., he was
long..., he was longing <mumble> <mumble>", which seems to make
perfect sense in light of the song.  Actually, I think it's Kate
just trying to drive us crazy.  (Have you played "Leave It Open"
backwards yet?)

				"Going to Montanna
				 Gonna raise me some dental floss"

				 Doug


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Date:     Thu, 20 Mar 86  18:18:28 EST
From: FULIGIN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU  (Peter E. Lee)
Subject:  XTC info & assorted stuff from a new reader

Hi-ho, I'm new to the net, but fairly knowledgeable about 'new music',
so here goes :
On XTC :
     (My favorite group)
     As of the last issue of 'The Little Express' (the Canadian fan-club
newsletter), the band have not yet chosen a producer or studio for their
next album, but they have already written around 20 tracks.  A complete
list of song titles is available, my favorite being "Gang way, electric
guitar coming through".  They hope to have the album out by Easter.
     I find that "25 O'clock" is all the more brilliant if you realize
that it was done as a joke.  It was released on April Fool's Day in England
last year, and is meant as a tribute to/send up of the psychadelic bands that
XTC grew up on.  All of the lyrics and music on that EP were recorded in
one take.  I think, however, that the band have really captured the soul of
the music - each of the songs has a timeless quality which the best of the
original psychadellic music did, but which so little of the music of the
'paisley underground' does today.  (The preceding was an incitement to riot
for some parties I'm sure).

On The Golden Palominoes :
     The line-up which played at UMASS (the first official date of their
first official tour) was :
     Anton Fier, Syd Straw, Peter Blegvad, Chris Stamey (SP?), Bernie
Worrel, Jodie Harris, Jack Bruce, and a female singer/synth-player whose
name escapes me.
     I got to talk to the band before the show for awhile, and it sounds
like Stype will be joining them for the west coast dates.  It also emerged
that the current line-up is basically settled and won't be changing too
much in the future.  IE, those people who are on tour are the 'real'
Golden Palominoes, and will be appearing on all future albums.

On Peter Blegvad :
     Now playing with the Golden Palominoes, Peter Blegvad is one of my
three favourite songwriters (the other two being Andy Partridge and
Declan McManus/Elvis Costello).  He was formerly a member of the bands
'Faust' and 'Slapp Happy', and has also released two excellent solo LP's,
six or seven songs from which the Golden Palominoes are doing live.  The
albums are 'The Naked Shakespeare' - Produced by Andy Partridge, and featuring
Anton Fier, Chris Stamey, Andy Partridge, Colin Moulding, Dave Stewart, and
(on one track) Maggie Reilly (singer with Mike Oldfield) - and 'Knights
Like This' (which was produced by David Lord, and features Chris Difford
(of Squeeze and Difford & Tilbrook) among others).  'The Naked Shakespeare'
(Virgin records, UK 1983) is truly brilliant, mixing slightly warped,
extremely intelligent pop songs with some very odd sung/spoken poetry.
'Knights Like This' (Virgin Records, UK 1985) is, in Blegvad's own words,
"Over-produced" and sounds a little too slick most of the time, but it, too,
features some exceptional songwriting with a few good hooks thrown in here
and there for good measure.  The musicianship on both LPs (as you can guess
from the artists involved) is exceptional.

On Shriekback :
     'Tench' was Shriekbacks first LP (EP? - 6 songs as I recall), the
  single from it was 'Sexthinkone'.  One or two tracks from it (I don't
  have my copy near the terminal) also appear on 'Care'.  The limited
  edition double pack of 'Nemesis' (both 7" and 12") feature live verions
  of 'Mothloop' and 'Feelers' - both of which appear in studio form on
  'Tench'.
     The other version of 'Jam Science' (I have both) was released by Y
  records without the permission of the band when the band went to Arista
  from Y.  It consists of what the band had finished for the album at the
  time of the label change.  Two or three songs appear on it which are not
  on the Arista version at all, and those songs which do overlap are
  entirely different versions.  The Y album is far more like like 'Care'
  than is the Arista version - It has more of the dense, murky sound and
  less of the slickness.  Better or worse I couldn't say, but definately
  different.

On life in general :
     Any other fans of XTC, The Jazz Butcher, Peter Blegvad, Colourbox,
  or Propaganda out there?
     What do the Kate fans think of the 'Organnon Mix' of "Cloudbusting"
  and "Alternative Hounds Of Love"?  Anyone else seen the vid for
  Cloudbusting?
     And how do the Cocteau Twins fans like Dead Can Dance?

                              Oh well...
                                Space Antlers For Peace,
                                        -Peter E. Lee
                                     Fuligin%Umass.BITNet@WISCVM.ARPA

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Date:     Thu, 20 Mar 86  19:56:26 EST
From: FULIGIN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU  (Peter E. Lee)
Subject:  Bill Nelson, and PIL

>I would appreciate if somebody can tell me, or point me to, the usual
>album specs for the PiL ``album'';

I don't know the whole line-up off-hand, but Ryuichi Sakamoto (ex-YMO)
is on keyboards, with Ginger Baker (ex-Blind Faith, etc...) on drums.
According to John Lydon, from a recent Melody Maker interview, he is
PiL and all of the other members are transient and chosen by him from
project to project.  According to Anton Fier however, from an interview
I did with him about 2 weeks ago, Bill Laswell wouldn't let the rest of
the regular PiL musicians into the studio, and instead chose to use
session musicians who could play their instruments.

About Bill Nelson :
     Nelson has a new single out (released within the last week or so),
  called 'Wildest Dreams'.  Very pretty, sort of in the 'Another Day,
  Another Ray Of Hope' stream of things.  The B-Side of the 12 inch
  contains an instrumental piece called 'The Yo-Yo Dyne'.  Does anybody
  know what a yo-yo dyne is?  Does it have a meanining at all, besides
  being the name of a propulsion systems company in Buckaroo Banzai?
     Also, according to a Melody Maker of awhile back, Nelson will be
  (or is) producing the next David Sylvian solo-LP, which ought to be
  pretty impressive, if the report is true.

                                          -Peter E. Lee

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Date:     20 Mar 86 (Thu) 11:26:36 EST
From: Robert Goldman <rpg%brown.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA>
Subject:  Love-Hounds: Funny Movies



About the wierd movies -- I'd like to give a '5' to David Lynch's DUNE,
which I'd describe as follows:

David Lynch indulges many of his obsessions at with the resources of Dino
"90-Foot King Kong Doll" DeLaurentiis.  Sets lavish and wonderful, the whole
effect is to make you very uncomfortable as you watch, by exposing you to
deeply disquieting images.  Because there had to be an excuse to get this
huge budget, an apparently bored Lynch inserts clips from the film of the
Reader's Digest Condensed DUNE.  Plot events totally uninteresting, as are
the good guys and Sting.  But the Bad Guys are magnificent!

					Robert
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 23:53:22 EST
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: KB 12" singles and Cloudbusting Video

> From: FULIGIN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU  (Peter E. Lee)

> What do the Kate fans think of the 'Organnon Mix' of "Cloudbusting"
> and "Alternative Hounds Of Love"?

I think they're gnarly to the max.  And just right for 12 inch
singles, rather than album versions, without being too
12-inch-single-y.  And how could one continue life without having "My
Lagan Love" and "The Handsome Cabin Boy"?

I wonder what Kate's going to do for the 12 inch single for "The Big
Sky"?  (If there is one.)  I don't think you'd really want to extend
it.  It already is a great 12 inch single the way it is, even if it
doesn't come that way.

> Anyone else seen the vid for Cloudbusting?

Yeah!  Where'd you see it?  On Empty-V?  I showed it to Jim Hofmann a
while back and he posted a long article here saying how he thought
Kate looked ridiculous trying to play the part of a little boy.  I
think his head is up his a**, but then, isn't all of ours?

			"Bless me father, bless me father
			 For I have sinned, UH!"

			 Doug

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