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Love-Hounds digest			Friday, June 6, 1986, 19:11 EDT

Topics:

  Our immoderator is putting attitudes in my mouth ( & Other Stories )
	 comments on Wicinski (who blows donkey chunks anyway)
			      I think ...
			     Concert review
			Re: Brit vs US inanities
		  The Big (Budget) Sky Video (2 msgs)
			    Revolting Cocks
			      Jazz Butcher
				Ministry
			       Mojo Nixon

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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 86 23:21:23 pdt
From: elroy!smeagol!earle@csvax.caltech.edu (Greg Earle)
Subject: Our immoderator is putting attitudes in my mouth ( & Other Stories )


From:  Self-Righteous as HELL! <earle@smeagol.UUCP>

Destroy All Major Labels!!!  Yes that's Sonic Youth talkin, boy, and you
oughta Heed The Creed.
>[Our Man Alan:]
>Well good for you Greggie!  But I'd hardly consider any record company
>which owns their own airline and a record store the size of a Sears to
>be "independent".  

OK, OK, so I'll revise, add Dukes Of Stratosfear, The Cure, 
and the 2 Banshees 12" and come up with 6 or 7.

> ... But in any case, this attitude of "I'm only going
>to buy stuff on independent labels" really pisses me off!  Support
>*good* music, no matter what label it is on.  

WOAH, there, Chuck.  *Don't* put Attitudes in my mouth ...
I never said "I'm only going to buy stuff on Indie labels".  It just
*happened* that way.  There's probably *double* the amount of $$$$ 
I spent on records last year left in great music out on Indie labels.
We've only got so much cash to spend, and I don't feel morally obligated
to pad some fat-cat's wallet at a Major Label with it.  My comment was
designed to show that, in fact, most (if not all) Great Music happens
to emerge from an Indie Label, and this is not Coincidence;  therefore,
in appreciation of this fact, one should support and nuture these efforts,
rather than feeding the coffers of the Majors in appreciation for the
one good act they have on their roster ...

>If everyone with good
>taste boycotts major labels then major labels will never carry good
>music.  It will be a self-fulfilling prophecy, and by not buying good
>music on major labels, you will be actually helping to proliferate
>junk, rather than helping to get rid of it.

Well, Don Quixote, if you want to tilt at Major Label Windmills, go right
ahead.  I'll be RIGHT BEHIND you ... :-)
You *actually* think you can "get rid of junk"??  Pardon me while I recover
from laughing.  The 1st generation punks thought so too (my, but we *were*
a wee bit naive in those days).  Notice how quickly they all got sucked
up by the UK Majors, and wonder why they all say "Erm, well, for me, punk
pretty much had died by late '78"....
I couldn't give two shits if the Majors ever carry "Good Music".  Their
aim to to Maximize Profit, not Disseminate Worthwhile Music from Good Bands
like the Indies do.  I'd rather take my $7 and buy a Rubella Ballet LP
so I can help support good musicians (when I know they're fucking starving 
in some squat somewhere in England) than feed 
WarnerBrothersElektraAsylumCBSPolygramGeffen MegaRecords Ltd.  Profit Sheets.
I (and You, and everybody else) have a limited amount of $$$$ to spend on
records and concerts and such.  Well, I'm Self-Righteous as all hell
and I don't give a sh*t about what you buy or what he/she buys or about
any little Support Good Music On Majors Movement there is going, because
that sucks money out of my funds for buying what I want to buy and so be it.

>(And what's this?  You didn't get HoL!)
Oh Sh*t!  Horrors!  Can I go home now?

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Factionalism Rules OK!!!!!
Oh sh*t, looks like it's time for the Tao Of
Musical Opinions again ...

Danielle Dax' last was "Yummer Yummer Man // Bad Miss M / Fizzing Human Bomb", 
FYI Sue ...  And the Elpees (yes they are LP's) are of course
Pop-Eyes and Jesus Egg That Wept.  You should obtain all of them and
find out that she has as much to do with Nina Hagen as the s*it on my stick.
Wrigley's Fun Fact - she also does the cover painting on the latest
Shock Headed Peters "Life Extinguisher" 12".

What does it mean to "XXXX" out?  The Chris and Cosey *I* saw take no
prisoners ...

Tuxedomoon (vers. 1986) slipped into L.A. quietly last Sat.  No concessions
to previous triumphs ("Back Catalogue?  What back catalogue?") except
for a funki-fried workout on "59 to 1" as an encore (I call it the A Certain
Ratio-ized version).  Only Steven Brown and Peter Principle still there
to provide the continuity for us Old Fogues.  They've added two kids on
synth, trumpet, bass, etc., and some Bowie wannabe has taken the Winston Tong
position (projections on the walls, backing vocals, Silly Walks, and general
poserama).  They were pretty good and drew an Artsy Fartsy crowd.  The hit
to miss ratio for their new material was about 50%.

Heard most of SO in a reccid store.  I guess it means Snores Only.  Don't
Give Up sounds like <insert generic insipid mid-80's trend - The Big Stars
Male/Female Duet>.  Next day I heard most of Belinda BlowGo.  Easily rivals
SO as Aural Sominex material.

You should be buying Skinny Puppy "bites" instead of Ministry "Twitch".
Trust me.

"Posterity" is "Posterior" spelled sideways.  Sort-of.

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Why Is There Factionalism, Mommy, And What Can I Do About It?

Let's consider monetary constraints.
When you only have so much cash to waste on this Rock Fad, your taste
necessarily (as reflected in your Record Collection, which subsequently
can affect your purchasing selections) has to be constrained more than
your true desires.  Every time I go into a record store and make a purchase,
I can guarantee that when I walk outta there, there are a few records
left in that store that I just looked through that I would like to hear/wish
I could have bought, but couldn't due to money.  An example culled from real
life -
	My last two record excursions:

#1	The Art Barbeque	"Feet Hacked Rails" LP
	Abecedarians		"Eureka" mini-LP	(PETER LEE - WAKE UP)	
	SPK			"In Flagrant Delicto" 12"
	Play Dead		"Caught From Behind" Live LP
	The Mission		"Serpent's Kiss//Wake/Naked & Savage" 12"
	(This is Craig Adams & Wayne Hussey from Sisters Of Mercy BTW)

#2	Sonic Youth		"EVOL" LP
	Swans			"Greed" LP
	The Cure		"Boys Don't Cry '86 remix" 12"
	Scratch Acid		New Radicool Reflecto-Cover LP

Total price, sports fans, was around *$70*.  I walked out the first time
wishing I had the cash for the new The (nee' Youth) Brigade LP.  The 2nd
store didn't have it.  I walked out the 2nd time wishing I had the money
to buy <insert several domestic Indie releases here>.  The point is, I
spent 70 DOLLARS on records in one week and STILL didn't cover
all the stuff I wanted.  How many of YOU blow that much cash on music
in one or two weeks time??  I thought so.  SO, naturally you apply
your own version of a Categorization Heuristic to the I WANT MORE / SORRY
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH problem.  Mine includes Records That I 
Expect Might Be A Collossal Pain In The Ass To Find After Next Month,
Records By Bands I Have Other Records Of And Like, Records That Have Such
Strange Covers and/or Strange Instrumentation That I Know I'll Love It
(cf. Art Barbeque - cover depicts person in Full Bondage Rubber clothing,
bent over in submissive position; instrumentation is "electronics, tapes,
tapes, tapes, guitar, rhythm tracks" - naturally, it's Awesome) etc. etc.
Everybody has their own Rulesets to apply.

Something has to give somewhere.

The land outside that somewhere is the land reserved for your vitriol and
spiteful hate; whether it be Hofmann's land of Art Rock Suffering ArTestes 
and Synth Trendioids and most things English; or Peter Alfke's land of
HardBore No Thank You; or Bob Krajewski's land of English You Ripped Us Off
Bands; etc. etc. AD NAUSEUM.

F*ck This Crap.

Bands play music.  You like it or you don't.  Bands have nothing to do
with other bands, it's all in your head - the pigeons need a place to SH*T,
so you build your little PIGEONHOLES for them to SH*T IN.
Country Of Origin doesn't mean F*CK ALL.

You want great bands??  I'll give you:
Yugoslavia - Laibach.
Italy - CCCP.  Raw Power.
France - Deux Filles.
Belgium - Skinny Puppy.
Australia - Birthday Party.  Scattered Order.  Severed Heads.  The Moodists.
	The Scientists. Dead Can Dance. And Plenty Of Others.
Netherlands - XYMOX.
Japan - Yas-Kaz.  Sakamoto.
U.S. - Plenty Of Them.
England - ""  ""  "" . So screw you Anglophobes.

None of these brief examples have anything to do (musically) with one
another.  I'm forgetting lots more.  You get the hint.

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All profanity in this article was included specifically to drive Greg
Skinner insane.

[I hope you are pleased with yourself.  --gregbo]

That oughta give you WANKERS something to chew on.  Bye.  See you next month.

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Date:     Tue, 3 Jun 86 8:04:59 EDT
From: Swingset Disaster <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  comments on Wicinski (who blows donkey chunks anyway)


Is it me?  Am I the post-modernist who recognizes
No-Trend as God of Postmodernism (and they don't
even use Synths... and they don't have haaaarcuts)

Wow.  That J.D. is one sharp dude, took him this long
to figger all that out too.  He sharp.  He cool.  He 
a dude (and all).

Maaan, that Big Black lp - Atomizer COOKS.  Get this
before you die and all that.  It may be post-modernist...
One song is recorded by using a handheld organ piped
through a roomsized loudspeaker.  And you can dance to
it (and no "play that Bronski beat" type lyrics).

Hsut is right about EVOL by Sonic Effin Youth.  Great
but not as great as Big Black.  Kinda drowzy at pointsssszzzzzz.

Hey, what's up with Kate Bush these days?

Anyone know how to get Gov't art grants?

I don't subscribe to this digest anymore so earmark a copy
of any stupid reply you wanks can muster towards my mbox
at somewheres (seismo?)!amsaa!hofmann or something.

I be cool


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Date:     Tue, 3 Jun 86 9:06:37 EDT
From: My Swingset is bigger than Your Swingset <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  I think ...

Therefore I Thrash (eh, Alfke?).

Jim here (the guy who doesn't read your insipid comments but
feels free to randomly slag or praise anyone I feel like)
for more Hardcore torture  (scream, wankers, scream)...

Earle - I have a Gargoyle Sox address - but I can't construct
a decent workable comspewter path to your holiness's mbox ...
perhaps you can get in touch so I can give you the address?

But first an apology to our English readers ... Apology???

NO!!!!  But really - there's this group out of England
that plays some original tunes that I like - their name is
Part 1.  Also, I like the Fall now (after putting This Nations
Saving Grace side 1 on repeat and falling asleep) due to
subliminal seduction a la Brix (slobber, obsess, drool) who
is second in my rock wimmen lust pantheon to Tex and her
nylons and Kim Sonic effing Youth and Henry Rollins (who
has great thighs! ... heh heh - is hofmann or isn't he?).

Hey, like if i use "fag" in conversations and that makes me
homophobic like what if I use "hamster" in a conversations ...
does that make me hamsterphobic?

Yawn?  Greg Earle spent $70 on records - tell the whole fugging
world ... Danny Dax still sounds like Low-Rent Nina Hagen, though.
Nina RULES!  Hey, Greg you are indeed a demi-God in my book.

OK - here's Jim (the raving, condescending, flaming asshole
of the music.net) 's major label buy of the week - Run - DMC...
first diagnosis or prognosis is that it sucks - I'll try again
later.  Rick Rubin (star of Krush Groove and all around sexy
dude) does the producing/mixing and as some way implied - he
doesn't produce as much as he reduce ... minimalism has hit
the street, art-wimps - time to come up with different doctrines!

I read an interview in Maximum Rock and Roll (bible for hardcore
punks which rules) with the Raunch Record people and they called Enigma
and Homstead major labels because they have list prices on their
LPs.  I think the inner groove from the Sonic Effing Youth said
"destroy ALL labels" ... so maybe they were talking about pigeon-
holing that they receive from the hardcore populace and from the
art-testes populace, I don't know.  Thurston Moore wrote an
alternate "scene" report in Maximum Rock and Roll and let me
tell you - it rules and comes in your mouth.  (sound of Greg 
Skinner, amateur censor, teething).

Well, as usual, I've enjoyed this - especially since I don't
have to read your whimpering replies (except if you have enough
gaul to send me a poisonal copy to amsaa!hofmann or hofmann@amsaa
or whatever - - - 


"keep on thinking free" - Moody Blues (whoa!)

P.S.  Hardcore rules and synth sh*t, like, submits, dudes.


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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 86 01:10:27 edt
From: Joe Turner <cutter%umass-boston.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA>
Subject: Concert review

DEPECHE MODE / Book of Love / June 1 1986 / Wang Center, Boston MA


Book of Love, a 4-man New York band, opened the show. They played a
whopping six whole songs, most of which were marred by a PITIFUL mix.
They played a semi-interesting synth-dance type of music. Most of the
songs were actually quite melodic, and some of the sounds coming out
of their synths were ear-catching - the band themselves were DEAD for
the first three numbers. The lead singer had her shoes off and was
dancing around, but the other three (three females, or two females and
a real effeminate guy - I couldn't tell) just sort of stood there,
until they finally loosened. The two highlights were their single
release (I assume, from the amount of screaming) called "Boy", which
was good, and "I Touch Roses", where amounts of roses were thrown into
the audience, though the song was a little derivative. To end the set,
they played the most boring song of the evening - introduced as "We're
Book of Love, this song is called Book of Love, from our album Book of
Love". The song was not interesting enough to carry through its
interminable length and choruses of "pages of the book of love" ad
nauseum. Not totally worthless, but not a shining light.

Depeche Mode, on the other hand...

The set was eye-catching, I must admit. Three raised conical platforms
with glowing stripes up the sides, with glowing tent-like structures
in the back. Lighting - intense. Sound mix - quite good.  Performance
- fabulous!  Gore, Fletcher, and Wilder weren't too physical, but who
cares when Dave Gahan is out there bopping and screaming "I think that
God's got a sick sense of humor"? Starting out with "Black
Celebration", they went right into "A Question of Time", "Fly on a
Windscreen - Final", "Shake the Disease", "It's Called a Heart",
"Everything Counts", "It Doesn't Matter Two", "A Question of Lust",
"Blasphemous Rumours", "New Dress", "Stripped", "Something To Do",
"Master and Servant", "Photographic", and "People are People". Coming
back for an encore, they did "Boys Say Go". Coming back for a second
encore, they performed "Just Can't Get Enough" and "More Than a
Party". Gahan's singing was impeccable, as was the band's playing.
Being the first stop of the tour, it was a HOT night for all!

The band will be stopping in Philadelphia, New York, Cleveland,
Rochester, Long Island, Washington DC, Montreal, Toronto, Detroit,
Chicago, St. Paul, Fort Worth, Austin, Houston, Denver, Salt Lake
City, San Fransisco, Seattle, Vancouver, San Diego, Los Angeles, and
Irvine. The tour also extends to the Far East.

The show is DEFINATELY worth it. Energy everywhere! I must have
sweated off MANY pounds from dancing around.

WARNING: TEENYBOPPERS!!! They screamed every time Dave Gahan even
*moved* his hips, much less shook them (which he was doing to excess).
Ick! Someone with me wondered how many of them knew he didn't like
women...  I wonder how many of them know his NAME! Be careful if you
go. 

				"Life in the so-called space age"

				Save your parity bits for big cash prizes!
						Joe

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Subject: Re: Brit vs US inanities
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 86 13:22:42 -0700
From: J. Peter Alfke <alfke@csvax.caltech.edu>

Well.  wicinski@nrl-css.arpa rants:

>well, all you "post-moderninsts" out i gots a story for you.  I was told
>by no other than a post modernists who shall remain nameless due to his
>straight edge ness that the only post modernist band is No Trend.

What gives him the sole authority on what's postmodern?  It ain't a movement
in the way Dada or Futurism were ... there's no elite federation of post-
modernists who say "this is p.m. and this ain't".  Think for yourself be the
whole of the law.

My suggestion: Read some Donald Barthelme (generally recognized as
postmodern; try "60 Stories") and then go look at early Talking Heads
lyrics.

>see what JD is saying ?? go to england, get a drum machine, a synth,
>some bad vocals, and a haircut and you got yerself a NME spread...which
>is what most bands do anyway.

>Peter, my boy - your logic is so full of stupid holes I'm not even gonna
>bother to respond, I have more important things conversations [sic] to carry
>on.

Thanks for the kindness.  I'm actually not overly impressed by most of the
commercial Brit bands popping up these days.  I'll admit that some of their
stuff is catchy, and good to dance to, and I can enjoy dancing to it, but
it's a predictable formula in the same sense that heavy metal is; I just
find the synth-pop formula more tolerable than the HM formula.  I may think
the current Blow Monkeys song is a good piece of fluff, but I'm not going
to BUY it, I'm not going to call it ART and put posters of them up on my
wall -- why does everything that passes through your ears have to be so
IMPORTANT?  Mellow out.  "F*ck art, let's dance" is a nice attitude
to have sometimes when you don't at the moment feel like combing hole-in-
the-wall record stores for that Catholic Upchuck E.P you're missing from
your collection ...

Just for people's info, here are the Brit bands I've been listening to the
most lately:
	Echo & the Bunnymen  (only the early stuff, pleez)
	Bauhaus
	Cabaret Voltaire
	Cocteau Twins
	Brian Eno  (Before & After Science)
	XTC
	Pink Floyd  (Ummagumma)

Note lack of Pet Shop Boys or Sigue Sigue Sputnik.  Bug off.

						--Pete the Art-Slave
						  alfke@csvax.caltech.edu

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 86 19:30:04 edt
From: Bob Krajewski <lmi-angel!rpk>
Subject: The Big (Budget) Sky Video

Well, I saw the thing on MTV's ``120 Minutes'' which has been moved up an
hour (starting 00AM Monday).  Very uncharacteristic in a lot of ways; here
are a few observations:

	* Makes no sense at all
	* KT looks mahvelous in that jumpsuit
	* What's Superman doing there ?
	* Lots of random action
	* People with Real Rock Instruments doing Real Rock Moves

So, perhaps it's a self/MTV-parodying attempt to get onto MTV.  If it isn't,
somebody's got a lot to answer for...

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 86 20:44:30 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Re:  The Big (Budget) Sky Video

I think that someone pointed out to Kate that Empty-V seems to have a
strong dislike for her style of video, and so she sat down and watched
nothing but Empty-V for a week.  And then thought to herself, "Pphah!
I can do that *much* better!"  She then proceeded to make the silliest
Empty-V-like video possible, throwing in every single Empty-V cliche
that ever existed or ever will exist and lots of other stuff just for
good measure, all the while having a fun time.  It worked too!  This
is the first video of Kate's ever to be in rotation on Empty-V (it's
only in light rotation, however).

		"That cloud looks like one of those brown shiny things"

		 Doug

P.S. By the way, I think it's brilliant!  Way Postmodern....

P.P.S.  Peter Gabriel's video for "Sledgehammer" is pretty amusing
too.

P.P.P.S.  So remember we were thinking about having another
Dial-for-Kate-athon?  I'm in a bit of a quandry though.  It seems that
calling up Empty-V for a video not in rotation is useless -- the dorky
operators just say "But that's not on my form".  And if the video
already is in rotation, then what's the point?  I mean, I'm morally
opposed to "heavy rotation" anyway.  (Then again, morals can be bent
for the love of Kate....)  What do you guys think about the issue?

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 86 21:32:46 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Revolting Cocks

In answer to Mr. Alfke's question regarding Ministry, I don't know
when Ministry changed style; the only Ministry album I have is the
most recent *Twitch*.  I have since then bought the new Revolting
Cock's album *Big Sexy Sky*... oops, I mean *Big Sexy Land*.  It is on
Wax Trax records (I bought it at Wax Trax record store), so it is safe
for Mr. Earle to purchase.  Revolting Cocks contains Alain Jourgensen,
who is Ministry.  This albums sounds just like *Twitch* era Ministry,
only more industrial, harsher, and less commercial.  It's the same
order of quality as *Twitch* (i.e. totally fab).  I saw a review which
said of Revolting Cocks that they make Cabaret Voltaire and
Einsturzende Neubauten superfluous.  Perhaps I'll buy the statement
for CabV, but not Einsturzende; they too are totally fab.

Revolting Cocks also contains Richard 23 (of Front 242, whoever they
are) and Luc Van Acker.

			"No devotion anymore"

			 Doug

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 86 23:26:53 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Jazz Butcher

Hey, Mr. Peter E. Lee, the Jazz Butcher is coming to Boston at
The Rat sometime in July, I believe.  Just thought you might like
to know.

			-Doug

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Date:     Tue,  3 Jun 86  23:38:08 EDT
From: FULIGIN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU  (Peter E. Lee)
Subject:  Ministry

The following is the Ministry chronology as I know it (probably not
absolutely complete) :
Cold Life (12") - Bitter, hard-edged funk.  Less industrial than the
  current stuff, but much harder than most of "With Sympathy".
With Sympathy (LP) - their debut album, on Arista records.  I'd call it
  better than average synth-funk - I like it - but it's much slicker and
  less challenging than "Twitch".
I Wanted To Tell Her (12") - remix of a song from "With Sympathy", not a bad
  remix, but in keeping with the style of that album.
All Day (12") - (a remix appears on "Twitch")  Starting to move towards the
  heavier sound, with some found voices, but without the patented Adrian
  Sherwood noise (which is fine by me, I find it monotonous after awhile).
  The B-Side "Halloween" is also great.
The Nature Of Love (12") - Classic.  Starting to move distinctly into Cab.
  Volt. territory, but perhaps a bit more narrative.  Centers around found
  voices saying things like "If a man wants to beat his own animal, that's
  his business".
Over The Shoulder (12") - Adrian Sherwood steps in as producer, (he also
  produced the album), and a great, searing, industrialized dance tune is
  born - another version appears in "Twitch".
Twitch (LP) - The band's most recent offering.  I have yet to listen to it
  all the way through at the radio station, but it hasn't particularly struck
  me yet.  Given the reccomendations around here though, I may yet...

     Final notes : all of the above recordings are on Wax Trax! records,
  except for the first LP, and the single from it, which are on Arista.  The
  first single has now been re-issued.

                         Grooving in the bus lane,
                                        -Peter Lee
Fuligin%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA
---
     "This is partytime!
      And it's better than a cold bath with someone you dislike..."
                               -The Jazz Butcher, "Partytime"

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Date: Tue 3 Jun 86 20:54:29-PDT
From: Bob Knight <KNIGHT@SRI-NIC.ARPA>
Subject: Mojo Nixon

Well, had a chance to hear his fake interview with the Playboyized MTVJ.
Wonderful!  Anybody heard his stuff?  Is it as winning?  Wanted to turn
around and go snarf everything he's ever made...

"I wanna be IN Martha Quinn..."

Bob


Standard disclaimer...
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-- 
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under.

Greg Skinner (gregbo)
{decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds
gds@eddie.mit.edu