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Article #79Re: Who needs files?
From: darrell
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1987 04:17
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1987 04:17
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In article <2850@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU> bagwill@decuac.DEC.COM (Bob Bagwill) writes:
>Some people call RAM "fast memory" and disk "slow memory" (and tape
>"very slow memory"). With large address spaces and virtual memory, who
>needs files? Why not define all storage as extended memory structures
>that may be loaded as needed. ...
This is a great idea. In fact, it's such a great idea that it was first
implemented in the late 1960s under Multics, which indeed does all of its
file I/O by mapping the files into the address space. The IBM System/38
also has a single-level-store architecture, with all memory and file objects
having a uniform addressing scheme. Even the RT PC was supposed to do its
file I/O through the pager, but we kind of wimped out. It seems to me that
considerable performance gains should be obtained this way, because the path
from the program to the I/O supervisor via page faults should be faster than
that through system calls -- no user arguments to validate.
There are some problems with doing I/O this way, most notably that it makes
device independence very hard. How do you do I/O to a terminal through page
faults? To a network socket? Beats me. For that matter, how do you tell
how big a file is to less than the granularity of a page? You add extra
system calls which lose much of the elegance that page-fault I/O gains.
The other reason that you want files is that they have an existence and a
naming structure separate from the programs that manipulate them, which is
kind of unavoidable. You as a human would probaby rather call a file
/usr/fred/games/source/pinball_bounce.c, while your program would rather
have a nice handle like a memory address of 0x18723d70 or a file handle of 5.
--
John R. Levine, Javelin Software Corp., Cambridge MA +1 617 494 1400
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