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Re: Response to anti-bridge comments
#1537
Author: bill
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1987 20:19
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> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 87 15:33:29 EST
> From: jas@monk.proteon.com (John A. Shriver)
> Subject: Response to anti-bridge comments

>           The very nature of bridges prevents you from doing load
> sharing (unless you manually program the filtering/forwarding
> databases, giving up the advantages of adaptive bridges).

I don't think it's anything intrinsic about a Bridge that would prevent
you from doing load sharing.  It's only a function of the current
Bridge software that this isn't currently possible.  One simple scheme
that I just happened to think of off the top of my head would involve
having 2**N Bridges numbered from 0 to 2**N-1, and each Bridge would
handle those Ethernet addresses which modulo 2**N matched its own
assigned Bridge number.  A hot spare could detect the failure of any
particular live Bridge, and take over for it.  One Bridge could be
designated to handle broadcast packets.  Does anyone know if such a
scheme or anything similar has been considered for doing load sharing
across Bridges?  It doesn't seem that it would be that difficult to
implement.

By the way, in practice, at least at our site, the level of traffic
through our Ethernet Bridges is nowhere near significant enough to
even start to worry about load sharing, and we have a fairly extensive
Ethernet based network in active use here at NRL.

>                                                            Gateways
> with multipath internal routing algorithms can do load sharing, look
> at BBN's PSN software using SPF on the ARPANET and MILNET.  Sooner or
> later, a network gets big enough and complicated enough that one
> migrates from bridges to routers.

Although Gateways/Routers COULD also do load sharing with appropriate
routing algorithms, it is my understanding that all of the current
Gateways, even those with SPF routing, DO NOT currently do any kind
of load sharing, and only understand and compute a single path to any
given destination.  I specifically asked this question at the TCP/IP
Interoperability Conference held just recently in Monterey, and that
was the answer I was given by someone involved with the SPF routing
Gateways.

> What the advocates are arguing about is where the line between bridges
> and routers is.

I think there are appropriate circumstances to use both Bridges and
Gateways/Routers.  The primary benefits that I see for using Bridges,
given the state of current technology, is ease of installation,
monitoring, and management, and the fact that they are protocol
transparent to the higher layer protocols.  In the future, they
will probably even be used to connect dissimilar technologies, such
as Ethernet and FDDI Fiber Optic networks.  But Gateways certainly
have their appropriate niche also, such as providing a higher degree
of isolation between the connected networks when this is desirable.

						-My first plunge

						-Bill Fink
						 bill@NRL-LCP
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Re: Response to anti-bridge comments
#1574
Author: kik
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1987 07:26
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   I get the impression that, in the discussion  on  Bridge  functionality,
people  are  not taking enough trouble to distinguish between the *service*
and the *communications*.

   The service is to filter and  forward,  based  on  destination  address.
There  is  no reason for the filtering not to be shared, in a disjoint way,
by any number of devices.  In fact, we intend to do this.  The load-sharing
and backup algorithms are designed and we plan to implement them on our own
equipment once we get the time.

   The communications can be based  on  point-to-point  links,  satellites,
etc.  In  fact,  the  choice  of  communications  is  limited  only by your
networking ability.  For  example,  DEC  and  Vitalink  have  "invented"  a
spanning-tree  approach  to provide redundant communcation.  This is really
primitive.  We, at CERN, use a genuine communications subnet  with  all  of
the  build-in  advantages  (originally designed for inter-computer traffic,
and all the better for that!).  The ideal backbone for such purposes  would
be a high-speed bus-type network (we're hoping for FDDI).

    I am trying to rewrite the IEEE 802.1 document on MAC-level bridges  to
reflect the clear separation between
   a) address resolution and
   b) routing
so that the current confusion can be avoided.

          Cheers

               Crispin PINEY
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