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James P H wrote:

> Thomas Reynolds <thomasr@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
> : Queensland (more to the point Gympie) gun shop owner Ron Owen has, via
> : his website www.lockstockandbarrel.org published a photo and address of
> : David Kemp MP's home. In any forum this would be regarded as
> : questionable, but given LSB's ferverent pro-gun stance it is positively
> : scary.
>
> Why scary? How about a certain Jewish nwspr publishing the names and
> addresses(or as good as!) of One Nation Party members?
>

not condoning that either. But I do see a split here insofar as 'evil intent'
( by that I mean the worst case scenario). the publishing of the ON was a
misguided attempt to ostracize those who are members and/or shame them. LSB,
being pro-gun are setting up politicians with a "here ya go, shoot one". Nice
attitude....

>
> : I ran a traceroute to his IP [216.15.134.113]  And his host is
> : www.cybercon.com:
> : Cybercon, Inc 4534 N. Lindbergh Blvd. Suite 430 - 438  St. Louis,
> : Missouri 63044 USA  ( unlike David Kemp's home adress, this is freeeley
> : available, with their permission, from their website...)
> : If you feel that LSB have overstepped the mark email them @:
> : jimmy@lockstockandbarrel.org
> : Or Cybercon :
> : feedback@cybercon.com  abuse@cybercon.com
>
> : As far as net censorship goes; I'm against it (tm). But abuses like this
> : do nothing to further the case that individuals can make their own
> : decisions about what is acceptable and will therefore strengthen the
> : case for censorship.
>
> so you say.....is that then any reason to have the _whole_ site removed?
> How this has occurred(or why) I do not know. Whatever: this morning it
> was there, now it ain't! _IF_ it has been taken down by court order...why
> not just the 'photos'? Hmmmmm.....does yr support for free speech extend
> as far as Voltaire's?
>

I must have missed the bit where I typed "remove the whole site". Just the
house and garden bit... The rest of it is enourmously entertaining- not to
mention a really cheap laxative...

No court order in Australia will get the site taken down...as you can see,
it's hosted in the US, which I fell is no coincicence (Although webhosting is
waaaay cheaper in the US...)


>
> : And it only takes one fueled up gun nut to make a 'big fella' of
> : himself......
> Whatever...you could say that about a fuelled up....anybody!

yeah but why is it ferverent gun owners and gun rights guys always seem to
have had just a bit too much fun with inhalents as kids? A few bullets short
of a magazine....

>
> His point remains unanswered: if ordinary citizens are now deprived of
> the right to own firearms for self-defence and are left vulnerable..-
> (I don't necessarily agree with their argmnts...but, he has a point,
> wouldn't you agree?)
>

Hey, you won't get me going there. _If_ you _really_ feel the need to arm
yourself, then you can. No, you can't have a semi auto, nor stinger missile or
artillery. But that is a good thing (tm). I still have a winchester lever
action 22 magnum, and it is great as far as nailing the odd (and increasingly
infrequent {was that an oxymoron?}) rabbit. But- use it to protect myself? Nah
it's under lock and key and the ammo is elsewhere-also locked. It would be
_most_ unfortunate to blow my brother away when he sneaks in while trying not
to wake mum up.....

As far as having a point...get out of town. Politicians jobs are inherently
dangerous. We are lucky here to have had few under threat or harmed, but it
does happen and any attempt to increase the likelyhood of it happening should
be put down. I mean really - ".why shouldn't pollies be made to feel a bit
vulnerable too?"

If that ain't one of the lamest arguments I've ever heard. then I'll eat
breakfast with Hitler.


>
> ----
> cheers!
>
> (jimbo!)
>
>         ======================================================
>          "He who tolerates confusion, propogates confusion"
>            [Malachi Martin]
>         ======================================================

Yeah, gimme new world order...

Tom



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                   thomas h reynolds
              thomasr@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
                www.lostintheweb.aust.com

                   oliver reed on manners:
            " a woman drove me to drink-
                and i never thanked her"
                   (no: 2 in series of 3)


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