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In article <3CC9A800.50613459@email.mot.com>,
 Mario D'Alessio <dalessi0@email.mot.com> wrote:

> From The Daily Herald:
> 
> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
> complaints, but drivers may call him at
> 847-705-4079.
> 
> Mario
> 
> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!

Oh yeah like even 4000 phone calls would make a difference.

What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and 
construction of roads during non-frozen months?

>
> > From The Daily Herald:
> >
> > Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
> > Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
> > complaints, but drivers may call him at
> > 847-705-4079.
> >
> > Mario
> >
> > PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!
>
> Oh yeah like even 4000 phone calls would make a difference.
>
> What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and
> construction of roads during non-frozen months?

Coordination between towns, villages and cities. I think the biggest issue
is when 3 or 4 town decide to work on the same stretch of road, causing 2-3
mile chains of construction - without possible detour. I hardly drive
(except my bike) so it doesn't bother me, but I know the pain of being in
traffic.

The problem isn't the need to fix the roads (they need it) - it's just that
they are all being repaired simultaneously or over a two year interval
thanks to Gov Ryan's Build Illinois Program. Let this be a lesson. Fix the
stuff smoothly over time...

"Kenji" <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote in message
news:kenji-120FDF.14462726042002@news-central.giganews.com...
> In article <3CC9A800.50613459@email.mot.com>,
>  Mario D'Alessio <dalessi0@email.mot.com> wrote:
>
> > From The Daily Herald:
> >
> > Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
> > Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
> > complaints, but drivers may call him at
> > 847-705-4079.
> >
> > Mario
> >
> > PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!
>
> Oh yeah like even 4000 phone calls would make a difference.
>
> What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and
> construction of roads during non-frozen months?

In article <_siy8.58999$CH.9808@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>,
DBT, Inc. <dbtinc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The problem isn't the need to fix the roads (they need it) - it's just that
>they are all being repaired simultaneously or over a two year interval
>thanks to Gov Ryan's Build Illinois Program. Let this be a lesson. Fix the
>stuff smoothly over time...

*snort* 

To me there are some pieces which shouldn't have been torn up in the first 
place.  I'm thinking of the piece of I-90 from 53 to Roselle Rd at least.
They put in a new ramp, new exit lane, and moved the toll plaze just last year
didn't they?  It was just fine!  Now they've gone and torn it up and the 
patches they've put in are lousy!

To me, they're just making up busy work in order to show that they need to 
raise the tolls to 75 cents.  

I also thought asphalt roads are supposed to last 20 years - not one year.
I think we need more honest contractors and less cronyism.

>> What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and
>> construction of roads during non-frozen months?
>

I think they should not charge toll money for when the toll roads are 
all torn up - like that'll happen.  It's bad enough the traffic backs up to 
infinity for the tolls to begin with.  

Peg

"Dan J.S." wrote:

> Coordination between towns, villages and cities. I think the biggest issue
> is when 3 or 4 town decide to work on the same stretch of road, causing 2-3
> mile chains of construction - without possible detour. I hardly drive
> (except my bike) so it doesn't bother me, but I know the pain of being in
> traffic.

Even worse than that is working at the same time on parallel roads.

-- 
Regards,
Bob Wiegand	Robert.P.Wiegand@motorola.com

Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> In article <3CC9A800.50613459@email.mot.com>,
>  Mario D'Alessio <dalessi0@email.mot.com> wrote:
>> From The Daily Herald:
>> 
>> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
>> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
>> complaints, but drivers may call him at
>> 847-705-4079.
>> 
>> Mario
>> 
>> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!
> 
> Oh yeah like even 4000 phone calls would make a difference.
> 
> What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and 
> construction of roads during non-frozen months?

It's not like this stuff can't be spaced out.  I get hosed because both the
NW tollway and Golf are under construction, leaving only Higgins/Oakton as a
viable alternative for me.  That is, of course, clogged because of the
construction everywhere else.

Golf is also really annoying because like 4 different towns are working on
sections of it.

In article <slrnacjq8r.1fp.glg@mulford.dyndns.org>,
 Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:

> Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> > In article <3CC9A800.50613459@email.mot.com>,
> >  Mario D'Alessio <dalessi0@email.mot.com> wrote:
> >> From The Daily Herald:
> >> 
> >> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
> >> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
> >> complaints, but drivers may call him at
> >> 847-705-4079.
> >> 
> >> Mario
> >> 
> >> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!
> > 
> > Oh yeah like even 4000 phone calls would make a difference.
> > 
> > What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and 
> > construction of roads during non-frozen months?
> 
> It's not like this stuff can't be spaced out.  I get hosed because both the
> NW tollway and Golf are under construction, leaving only Higgins/Oakton as a
> viable alternative for me.  That is, of course, clogged because of the
> construction everywhere else.
> 
> Golf is also really annoying because like 4 different towns are working on
> sections of it.

*little, tiny violin in my hand*

"Robert Wiegand" <Robert.P.Wiegand@motorola.com> wrote in message
news:3CC9CAAF.B7FE757D@motorola.com...
> "Dan J.S." wrote:
>
> > Coordination between towns, villages and cities. I think the biggest
issue
> > is when 3 or 4 town decide to work on the same stretch of road, causing
2-3
> > mile chains of construction - without possible detour. I hardly drive
> > (except my bike) so it doesn't bother me, but I know the pain of being
in
> > traffic.
>
> Even worse than that is working at the same time on parallel roads.
>

yep!

Mario D'Alessio wrote:
> 
> From The Daily Herald:
> 
> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
> complaints, but drivers may call him at
> 847-705-4079.
> 
> Mario
> 
> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!

Would you be happier if they didn't fix them at all?

Not too easy to take a road into the shop for repairs. They have to do
it SOMEwhere.

Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnacjq8r.1fp.glg@mulford.dyndns.org>,
>  Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:
> 
>> Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
>> > In article <3CC9A800.50613459@email.mot.com>,
>> >  Mario D'Alessio <dalessi0@email.mot.com> wrote:
>> >> From The Daily Herald:
>> >> 
>> >> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
>> >> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
>> >> complaints, but drivers may call him at
>> >> 847-705-4079.
>> >> 
>> >> Mario
>> >> 
>> >> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!
>> > 
>> > Oh yeah like even 4000 phone calls would make a difference.
>> > 
>> > What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and 
>> > construction of roads during non-frozen months?
>> 
>> It's not like this stuff can't be spaced out.  I get hosed because both the
>> NW tollway and Golf are under construction, leaving only Higgins/Oakton as a
>> viable alternative for me.  That is, of course, clogged because of the
>> construction everywhere else.
>> 
>> Golf is also really annoying because like 4 different towns are working on
>> sections of it.
> 
> *little, tiny violin in my hand*

:P

It's annoying man.  If you had to come out that way more often, it'd tick
you off too.

Yeinkiijo <randomuser374457jgj95nf6i4586878x0pon6yerdf57829855@Earthlink.com> wrote:
> Mario D'Alessio wrote:
>> 
>> From The Daily Herald:
>> 
>> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
>> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
>> complaints, but drivers may call him at
>> 847-705-4079.
>> 
>> Mario
>> 
>> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!
> 
> Would you be happier if they didn't fix them at all?
> 
> Not too easy to take a road into the shop for repairs. They have to do
> it SOMEwhere.

The problem is that noone talks to anyone else to, I dunno, plan this stuff
out.

On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:17:28 GMT, Yeinkiijo
<randomuser374457jgj95nf6i4586878x0pon6yerdf57829855@Earthlink.com>
wrote:

>Would you be happier if they didn't fix them at all?
>
	The reason we're unhappy is that they aren't fixing them now -
they're "patching" them. The technology exists to make roads that are
more durable and require less maintenance, even accounting for our
climate. But that doesn't put money into the pockets of all the
political pals we're funding now.
	Emanuel
"Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car;
most people settle for the car." Chris Titus
http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/1966-rolls.jpg
http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/1983-porsche.jpg

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:46:31 GMT, Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:

>In article <3CC9A800.50613459@email.mot.com>,
> Mario D'Alessio <dalessi0@email.mot.com> wrote:
>
>> From The Daily Herald:
>> 
>> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
>> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
>> complaints, but drivers may call him at
>> 847-705-4079.
>> 
>> Mario
>> 
>> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!
>
>Oh yeah like even 4000 phone calls would make a difference.
>
>What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and 
>construction of roads during non-frozen months?

More cement in the cement?

Emanuel Brown <epbrown01@att.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:17:28 GMT, Yeinkiijo
><randomuser374457jgj95nf6i4586878x0pon6yerdf57829855@Earthlink.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>Would you be happier if they didn't fix them at all?
>>
> 	The reason we're unhappy is that they aren't fixing them now -
> they're "patching" them. The technology exists to make roads that are
> more durable and require less maintenance, even accounting for our
> climate. But that doesn't put money into the pockets of all the
> political pals we're funding now.

A lot of the roads I'm seeing are being resurfaced.  They're taking the
bituminous off of the NW and repairing the concrete underneath.  Some of the
sections on Golf are patchwork, so are full resurfacing.

In article <slrnack8om.3rr.glg@mulford.dyndns.org>,
 Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:

> Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnacjq8r.1fp.glg@mulford.dyndns.org>,
> >  Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <3CC9A800.50613459@email.mot.com>,
> >> >  Mario D'Alessio <dalessi0@email.mot.com> wrote:
> >> >> From The Daily Herald:
> >> >> 
> >> >> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
> >> >> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
> >> >> complaints, but drivers may call him at
> >> >> 847-705-4079.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Mario
> >> >> 
> >> >> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!
> >> > 
> >> > Oh yeah like even 4000 phone calls would make a difference.
> >> > 
> >> > What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and 
> >> > construction of roads during non-frozen months?
> >> 
> >> It's not like this stuff can't be spaced out.  I get hosed because both 
> >> the
> >> NW tollway and Golf are under construction, leaving only Higgins/Oakton as 
> >> a
> >> viable alternative for me.  That is, of course, clogged because of the
> >> construction everywhere else.
> >> 
> >> Golf is also really annoying because like 4 different towns are working on
> >> sections of it.
> > 
> > *little, tiny violin in my hand*
> 
> :P
> 
> It's annoying man.  If you had to come out that way more often, it'd tick
> you off too.

Lest you forget the City has major construction gridlock between 7 and 4 
M-F. You prolly miss seeing alot of it because you exit and enter the 
City earlier and later.

Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnack8om.3rr.glg@mulford.dyndns.org>,
>  Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:
>> It's annoying man.  If you had to come out that way more often, it'd tick
>> you off too.
> 
> Lest you forget the City has major construction gridlock between 7 and 4 
> M-F. You prolly miss seeing alot of it because you exit and enter the 
> City earlier and later.

There's only a tiny bit of construction on my whole route in the city
between Evanston and getting on the Kennedy at Nagle.  Granted, a big chunk
of it was redone last year.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:18:25 -0500, Mario D'Alessio <dalessi0@email.mot.com>
 wrote:
> From The Daily Herald:
> 
> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
> complaints, but drivers may call him at
> 847-705-4079.
> 
> Mario
> 
> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!

Haven't you heard the on going Chicago joke,  probably said elsewhere as
well,  that we have 2 seasons,  winter and road construction?  What really
ticks me off is they have road contruction on I-90 starting at Barrington
Road.  The last exit before this construction if you're heading east is 
Rt. 59.  Well they are starting road construction there if you go North.
They are also doing road construction on Higgins right around the expressway
as well as a little construction on Golf just before Barrington Road.  You
would think they would only work on one of the roads so the traffic can
get around the road construction, but no they have to work on the main
road and all it's alternates at one time.

-- 
Ben Topolski Jr
Software Engineer
Motorola / iDEN Engineering Development	
Office Phone: 538-0896 Nextel PID: 1179
email: bentopolski@motorola.com

Count me in, on being fed up.....
*vent on*
I live in Belvidere (by Rockford) - used to take 90 to 53 (usually a 45
minute drive). When construction on 90 started - I started getting off at 59
& taking Higgins to Golf. Then construction of the Golf / Higgins
intersection, as well parts of both roads, started. So, then I started
'sneaking through' on some short cuts I know about, from growing up in the
area. That didn't last long - either the short cuts are jammed (because
there is no where else to go), or they are also under construction. So, now,
no matter what way I go, my drive is between an hour & a half and 2 hours.
Joy.
*vent off*

We should learn from our friends in the Southwest.... some of their roads
contain rubber (from recycled tires), which causes them to last
significantly longer than plain asphalt & helps them withstand extreme
weather (hot or cold), without getting a million pot holes......

Wendy


"Margaret T Earl {QA1399}" <earlmt@conch.cig.mot.com> wrote in message
news:aaceub$8sq2@nntp.cig.mot.com...
> In article <_siy8.58999$CH.9808@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>,
> DBT, Inc. <dbtinc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >The problem isn't the need to fix the roads (they need it) - it's just
that
> >they are all being repaired simultaneously or over a two year interval
> >thanks to Gov Ryan's Build Illinois Program. Let this be a lesson. Fix
the
> >stuff smoothly over time...
>
> *snort*
>
> To me there are some pieces which shouldn't have been torn up in the first
> place.  I'm thinking of the piece of I-90 from 53 to Roselle Rd at least.
> They put in a new ramp, new exit lane, and moved the toll plaze just last
year
> didn't they?  It was just fine!  Now they've gone and torn it up and the
> patches they've put in are lousy!
>
> To me, they're just making up busy work in order to show that they need to
> raise the tolls to 75 cents.
>
> I also thought asphalt roads are supposed to last 20 years - not one year.
> I think we need more honest contractors and less cronyism.
>
> >> What would be your solution to the gridlock caused by maintenance and
> >> construction of roads during non-frozen months?
> >
>
> I think they should not charge toll money for when the toll roads are
> all torn up - like that'll happen.  It's bad enough the traffic backs up
to
> infinity for the tolls to begin with.
>
> Peg

Mario D'Alessio wrote:
> From The Daily Herald:
> 
> Illinois Department of Transportation spokesman
> Steve Kulm said the state has received plenty of
> complaints, but drivers may call him at
> 847-705-4079.
> 
> Mario
> 
> PS: Yes, I'm fed up, too!

When I saw the subject I was sure you were a Phoenix resident.

Here we pave a nice new road and then 2 weeks later dig it up to lay 
some cable/pipe. You'd think there would be someone doing scheduling who 
could say "maybe we could lay that cable/pipe BEFORE we put down the 
final surface."

_____________________________________________________________
J Cobb, Webmaster
Motorola SPS Supply Management
http://supply.sps.mot.com/
480.413.3383 :: 888.768.5490 (2Way)

In article <aak5e2$j18$1@newshost.mot.com>,
 "Wendy Nigro Cihak" <Wendy.Nigro.Cihak@motorola.com> wrote:

> Joy.
> *vent off*

Welp....asyou know all around you there's more and more subdivisions. 
More on the way. It ain't gonna get better even after the construction.

My BIL travels Marengo to the City, NW side. He leaves at 5:00am to beat 
the bullshit, and heads back in by 2:45pm. Even then he's stuck many 
times.

Benjamin Topolski Jr. <cbt011@bmw184.comm.mot.com> wrote:
> Haven't you heard the on going Chicago joke,  probably said elsewhere as
> well,  that we have 2 seasons,  winter and road construction?

Growing up in Minnesota, we had 4.  Winter, winter, winter, and road
construction.

In article <slrnacriaa.7b4.glg@mulford.dyndns.org>,
 Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:

> Benjamin Topolski Jr. <cbt011@bmw184.comm.mot.com> wrote:
> > Haven't you heard the on going Chicago joke,  probably said elsewhere as
> > well,  that we have 2 seasons,  winter and road construction?
> 
> Growing up in Minnesota, we had 4.  Winter, winter, winter, and road
> construction.

Hey...why's there a mot.gen up in the ngroups header?

Porn hole maybe?

Let's find out.

Kenji <kenji@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnacriaa.7b4.glg@mulford.dyndns.org>,
>  Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:
> 
>> Benjamin Topolski Jr. <cbt011@bmw184.comm.mot.com> wrote:
>> > Haven't you heard the on going Chicago joke,  probably said elsewhere as
>> > well,  that we have 2 seasons,  winter and road construction?
>> 
>> Growing up in Minnesota, we had 4.  Winter, winter, winter, and road
>> construction.
> 
> Hey...why's there a mot.gen up in the ngroups header?
> 
> Porn hole maybe?
> 
> Let's find out.

Someone at motorola started the thread.

Behave.

In article <aajc2v$942$1@newshost.mot.com>, cbt011@bmw184.comm.mot.com 
says...

> Haven't you heard the on going Chicago joke,  probably said elsewhere as
> well,  that we have 2 seasons,  winter and road construction?  What really
> ticks me off is they have road contruction on I-90 starting at Barrington
> Road.  The last exit before this construction if you're heading east is 
> Rt. 59.  Well they are starting road construction there if you go North.
> They are also doing road construction on Higgins right around the expressway
> as well as a little construction on Golf just before Barrington Road.  You
> would think they would only work on one of the roads so the traffic can
> get around the road construction, but no they have to work on the main
> road and all it's alternates at one time.

Tell me about it. My commute's not only fucked due to the I-90 fuckery, 
it's also further shot because Barrington Rd. is one of the few streets 
that ain't under construction in the area and is therefore way heavier 
in traffic than usual, and that's the only route to my work from the 
highway that makes any sense. 

Sigh.

My fave Chicago trafficism, btw, is:

The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

smr 

J Cobb <r50683@email.sps.mot.com> wrote:
>
>When I saw the subject I was sure you were a Phoenix resident.
>
>Here we pave a nice new road and then 2 weeks later dig it up to lay 
>some cable/pipe. You'd think there would be someone doing scheduling who 
>could say "maybe we could lay that cable/pipe BEFORE we put down the 
>final surface."

They do the same thing in Chicago, and I'm sure it is intentional. Then
the road people get to come out and fix the pothole that the piping
people made. Yay for aldermen helping out their wards.

-matt

-- 
Matt Schechtman			Tel:   217-384-8568
Systems Administration		Pager: 217-366-2085
Motorola Urbana-Champaign 	Email: mschecht@urbana.css.mot.com

Kenji wrote:
> 
> Hey...why's there a mot.gen up in the ngroups header?

The OP cross-posted between an internal and external newsgroup.
This is usually a bad idea.

> 
> Porn hole maybe?

Yep - not a good idea.

> 
> Let's find out.

Watch out, kids.


-- 
mjdix@sonic.net

In article <3CCE12EA.FC6C5DF0@sig.please.because.this.is.invalid>, Michael Dix wrote:
> Kenji wrote: 
>> Hey...why's there a mot.gen up in the ngroups header?

> The OP cross-posted between an internal and external newsgroup.
> This is usually a bad idea.

mot.general is an internal newsgroup at motorola.  That's ok though,
the citizens of mot.general really like a good old bitch fest about moto :)

How's it going with the Relative Popularity Assesment these days? 

smr wrote:
>
> Tell me about it. My commute's not only fucked due to the I-90 fuckery,
> it's also further shot [...]
> Sigh.
> 
> My fave Chicago trafficism, btw, is:
> 
> The shortest distance between two points is under construction.

I've actually been thimking of all y'all during my 10~12 mile
cycle commutes to work. You have my sincerest sympathies
(seriuosly, and with none of that "move closer" bullshit).  

When I drive into the city, like i did last saturday afternoon,
I'm fuckin' stunned at the full-metal constipation of the ike and
kennedy et alia. I'm surprised nobody's aten their gun while
driving on those roads.

Heck, when I'm on my bike, about the worst thing that happens to
me is the occasional flat, or maybe a gopher or a Canada Goose
stuck in my spokes.  Construction on the River Trial/Prairie Path
means the hott college coeds are clearing brush. 

.max

Wendy Nigro Cihak (Wendy.Nigro.Cihak@motorola.com) wrote:
: Count me in, on being fed up.....
: *vent on*
: I live in Belvidere (by Rockford) - used to take 90 to 53 (usually a 45
: minute drive). When construction on 90 started - I started getting off at 59
: & taking Higgins to Golf. Then construction of the Golf / Higgins
: intersection, as well parts of both roads, started. So, then I started
: 'sneaking through' on some short cuts I know about, from growing up in the
: area. That didn't last long - either the short cuts are jammed (because
: there is no where else to go), or they are also under construction. So, now,
: no matter what way I go, my drive is between an hour & a half and 2 hours.
: Joy.
: *vent off*

: We should learn from our friends in the Southwest.... some of their roads
: contain rubber (from recycled tires), which causes them to last
: significantly longer than plain asphalt & helps them withstand extreme
: weather (hot or cold), without getting a million pot holes......

: Wendy

The recycled tires cause a bit of a problem in themselves. Normally, they 
run the grinder over asphalt and strip it, then they can take the residue,
heat and remix it and use much of it again.  If they use the tire rubber in 
it, they can't reheat it for fear of the rubber catching fire, so they have
to cart the entire stripped roadway off to a dump.  If your roads last a
long time, it's not as costly, but up here, it would be very costly.

Same with plastic grocery bags... because cornstarch is added to them to
make them fall apart after a while, giving the illusion of biodegradable, 
they can't be recycled with other plastic. No one wants to bury a PVC pipe 
in the ground that will fall apart as the cornstarch gets wet, they want
one that will last for 20-30 years. Plastic grocery bags are considered a
contaminant at a plastic recycling facility.

Sometimes good ideas aren't as good as they first seem.

--
John Nelson
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In article <3CCE34F5.6100DDCB@earthlink.net>, max wrote:

 

>  Construction on the River Trial/Prairie Path
> means the hott college coeds are clearing brush. 

Where abouts is this trail?  I generally only see such sights on the 
lakefront.

In article <3CCE34F5.6100DDCB@earthlink.net>, betatron@earthlink.net 
says...
> 
> 
> smr wrote:
> >
> > Tell me about it. My commute's not only fucked due to the I-90 fuckery,
> > it's also further shot [...]
> > Sigh.
> > 
> > My fave Chicago trafficism, btw, is:
> > 
> > The shortest distance between two points is under construction.
> 
> I've actually been thimking of all y'all during my 10~12 mile
> cycle commutes to work. You have my sincerest sympathies
> (seriuosly, and with none of that "move closer" bullshit).  

Thankee, .max. I got a new ol' lady, lives in the Loop. Drove in to 
Barrington from her place this morning... 2h 20min. Two hours and twenty 
fucking minutes. I think I averaged 7MPH from the Ohio St. on-ramp to 
O'Hare.

The goddamned irony of it all is that, once I hit the I-90 construction 
zone, I was able to do about 65 all the rest of the way in to Barrington 
Rd. (with appropriate slowing-way-the-fuck-downs for the worker zones). 

Barrington Rd., however, sucked pure ass. As do all things Barrington 
save the Penny Road Pub in S. Barrington.

smr

In article smr  <the-smr@MAKEITGOAWAYthe-smr.com> wrote:

>Thankee, .max. I got a new ol' lady, lives in the Loop. Drove in to 
>Barrington from her place this morning... 2h 20min. Two hours and twenty 
>fucking minutes. I think I averaged 7MPH from the Ohio St. on-ramp to 
>O'Hare.

Time to find an ol' lady close to a train station.