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Steve Juneau (sjuneau@bnr.ca) wrote:
: johnf@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

: 	Did they lied more or less that the other side?

Since I was using the point to demonstrate a reason why the arguments 
were not necessarily based on fact, the extent to which either side lied 
is irrelevant to my point.  The fact is, if one side is lying to prove 
it's position, the last thing they want is facts that could expose them 
as liers to get in the way.

: : lied to the voters of Quebec, provided a very vaguely worded question for 

: 	A lot of people say that the Oui people were brain washed,
: 	are non educated, or other things like that and those same
: 	people say that the question was vaguely worded.

Perhaps the words 'vaguely worded' are not the best way to explain what I 
percieve.  Now I've only seen the question in English translation.  And 
what I saw in the question had some very nasty implications.  As I 
understand the question, it went something along the lines of "Do you 
support separatism *if a deal cannot be negotiated with the rest of 
Canada.*" (my emphasis).  Answer this question.  What are the 
implications if one of the parties, read Quebec, were negotiating in bad 
faith with the negotiators having no intention of ever actually reaching 
an agreement?  In the scenario, the question, by implication, becomes "Do 
you support separatism?"  Why?  Because in the bad faith negotiation 
scenario no deal will ever be reached.  I believe this is the card the PQ 
had up its sleeve.  And I'm not sure that implication was ever explained 
to Quebecers.  There is the 'vagueness' to the question.  If both parties 
were to negotiate in good faith, then the question stands as read.  If 
the PQ entered into negotiations in bad faith, then the question 
Quebecers were voting on was not the one on the ballot.


: : the folks to vote on, and allegedly tried to rig the balloting process in 
: 	That's not proven yet.

allege - verb, transitive.  affirm, especially without proof.  Hence 
Alleged, Allegedly.

As you can see by my wording, I didn't say it was proven.  If it is 
proven, then I can quite happily drop the word allegedly from the above 
sentence.


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John Fleming                         email: johnf@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton, AB, T5J 3S2

     -The world was all before them, where to chose
      Thir place of rest, and Providence thir guide:
      They hand in hand with wand'ring steps and slow,
      Through *Eden* took thir solitary way.

                         John Milton (Paradise Lost, Book XII)